Anybody Remember John Idzik ?

This is the John Idzik I want to become familiar with around the Jets.

http://www.seahawks.com/team/staff/John-Idzik/f304b1c8-4fdb-49a7-b810-c4b074b07c45

He's your John Idzik's son.

 

Rex might be a bit more stubborn than Walt

Also, having Joe Walton around lead to a series of events that did not turn out so good for us, IIRC.

However, point well-taken that Sanchez needed a QB guru to help him
I personally think that ship has sailed, but since Sanchez will likely be around next year ( cap-wise), its a path that might be traveled.

 

The reason i feel the ship on Sanchez hasn't sailed is because of the improvement in big numbers form 09-11 - TDs when up, red zone efficiency improved, completion % was ticking upward. Those improvements happened with turnover at receiver, at running back, on offensive line -- hell if the defense played better in key moments in 2011 they would have made the playoffs - the Denver game game alone letting the Broncos drive 92 was killer.

Sanchez has proven he can win in the 4th quarter, can win on the road, and can win in the playoffs - many solid QBs can't say that. I think he at least has the right to battle it out with a new staff next season. Worst case you have a backup that is familiar with a lot of the players and if you have to go to him you can see what he does. Maybe he will come back and surprise some people.

 

I do remember all that but Sancho couldn't hold a clipboard for Todd. I can't remembered ever being this mad at him.

 

but don't the jets have a qb guru already? i suspect matt cavanaugh does tell no. 6 not to throw into triple coverage. i appreciate the thought, but it's really basic stuff sanchez gets wrong. i don't think it's the coaching. i think it's just a poison situation all-around. sanchez best shot is to go somewhere warm and low-intensity.

 

"helped Richard Todd and Matt Robinson make great strides in late-1970's."

I watched all the games and cannot recall great strides. Though Richard Todd's penchant for turning the ball over in the playoffs does remind me a lot of Sanchez.

 

Sanchez played some of his best ballin high pressure situations -- 4th quarter on the road against NE and Indy and SD in the playoffs? Come backs against Houston, Cleveland, Detroit...Sanchez always seemed to light things up in no huddle high pressure situations where he could just get to the line and make a play.

This year was a mess at QB, WR, TE, OL, RB, backup QB, OC - play calling, game plans, adjustments, use of tebow, constant confusion. Sparano was just a nice idea gone horribly wrong - like Tebow.

 

The best pressure situation was last night and what does he do? Fumble the snap.

How about the first New England game. PERFECT opportunity to take first in the division, you held them to a field goal in OT. You have the ball and what do you do? Take a strip sack fumble. Nevermind just throwing the ball away or protecting the fucking ball in a sack, you try to make a play AS you're going down and you fumble away any chance of winning.

How about Houston? You have a chance to win the game with one timeout left and the two minute warning. What do you do? You throw an interception to effectively end the game.

He did so very well in high pressure situations, it's a wonder that teams aren't knocking on our door for him RIGHT NOW.

 

Interesting that you bring up Todd and Robinson - another famous Jets QB controversey that involved coaching stubborness, just like now.

Matt Robinson, who was the back up, after coming in and winning a game, was given the starting job over Richard Todd. In what I think was to be his initial start, Robinson was horsing around in the locker room and broke a finger on his right (throwing) hand. The Jets HC, I don't recall if it was Walton or Michaels, refused to bench Robinson for the game. After a few pass attempts, it became obvious that he couldn't throw, but the coach refused to take him out and put Todd in. After losing the game, the explaination was "Robinson is the starter".

Some parallels to Ryan's stubborness over the last few weeks that help snuff out the season.

 

From what I remember, Robinson and the QB coach (forgot his name) at the time hid the injury from Michaels as it happened two days before the opener vs the Browns. They got the swelling down on the thumb enough so that they could tape it and Robinson could throw the ball. Michaels was told on game day that Robinson jammed the thumb in a door but that his throwing would not be affected. That must have pissed Michaels off to some extent but not nearly as much as what wound up happening towards the end of the game. The Jets trailed in a tight game until about two minutes left when Ronimson led them to what looked like a game-winning FG. Robinson, thinking the game was over, came to the sidelines and tore off the tape. Meanwhile the Browns tied the game and the thumb started to swell again. In OT, Robinson threw a flutterball which was intercepted and led to the Browns winning the game. I still remember Michaels pacing the sidelines in a rage, clenching and uncleching his fists and talking to himself......needless to say the media had a ball over the coming week. Michaels benched Robinson who never threw another pass for the Jets.....the end result could be similar to Sanchez.

 

Mud Bowl was one agonizing game. That loss was clearly on Todd

'83 was very disappointing (like last year in fact), but there were a lot of reasons for the '83 demise. Todd was only one of them. He did have a drop-off and front office acted quickly to shed him. Jets were facing pressure to play O'Brien in face of Marino's quick rise


Imagine two years where virtually every game was a "Mud Bowl"
That's what its been like under Sanchez.

 

Reading these comments make me feel really young lol

 

I love this stuff!

 

I was at the game in 1980 against the 49er's and Joe Montana. They were blowing the Jets out halftime by like 28 points then Richard Todd led a furious comeback, but we lost 37-27. I also went to the Oilers game that season where Leahy won it in OT. I remember freezing my ass off thinking there's no way Leahy was going to get a kick through the uprights in windy cold Shea. I also went to the final game down in Miami against the Dolphins. Jets won. Anyone remember what was unique about that game? There were no TV announcers. I was at the game, but I guess it didn't go over too well because they never did that again.


The loss I hated the most was the playoff game against Buffalo in 81. Oh man what killer INT after coming back from the dead. That one was a kick to the gut.

 

Good memory, man. That is how it went down, although I thought Robinson did play after that, but I will go with your recollection as it is way more accurate than mine. I just recalled, maybe mistakenly, Robinson throwing a number of fluttering passes during the game, but Michaels seemingly being too stubborn to go back to Todd.

 

I remember the "announcerless" game - Jets won, and a running back named Tom Newton had a big day for them - I thought the game was fun to watch - they had constant info updates on the screen, and a ton more mics on the field, so you could really hear the players grunting and groaning and yelling and the pads clacking. All the football announcers attacked it savagely as a failed gimmick, almost as if they were afraid for their jobs, and maybe they should have been.

 

He threw 22 in 1979 in 334 pass attmepts then 30 in 1980 in 479 attempts. 1 every 15.2 attempts in '79, 1 in every 15.9 attempts in 1980.

His INTs went down in '81 & '81 but he threw 12 in 4 playoff games.


I do agree mark can be saved though I am not sure Todd is the best example though.

 

The mud bowl is perfect example of what happens to a QB when the team has no running game.

And we had just beat Lyle Alzado and the hated Raiders too. That was our year more so than 2009-2010.