Agony of Victory--Mike Vaccaro, NY Post

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  1. Italian Seafood

    Italian Seafood New Member

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    Sunday's New York Post

    Good stuff, have to say I agree with him.
     
  2. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    good article.... I will always be proud of what Joe Namath did that one day 40 years ago.


    king is right for once.

    Its time to change the culture. Lets be the ones who begin the trend.
     
  3. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    great read.he is dead on i try to stop myself from doing that exact thing.the word"but their the jets "seem to tumble off my tongue every time something is going right.
     
  4. ScotlandJet

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    What a great read! All Jet fans have to read this. Quality.

    Maybe it's time to start believing again.
     
  5. TheBlairThomasFumble

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    Gee, what a surprise. The guy who grew up a Pats fan in Springfield, MA doesn't feel sorry for Jets fans. What an asshole.

     
  6. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    He is right...as a Jet fan..the negative talk about last Thursdays game is laughable. Its actually quite sad if a fan cant even enjoy that.
     
  7. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    Yeah, the article is spot on but like TBTF said, King is still an asshole.
     
  8. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    its an outside view of what goes on here. Plus, he did imply to us that the one SB we have is the best SB ever because of what it meant and who guarantee it.

    But he still a douche.

    The Jets are trend setters - Guarantees, Sackdances, QBs being a part of pop culture, etc. I know i'm missing two others. We do it first, like I dunno - First AFC team to win it all?
     
  9. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Actually King is right. What he is saying is that Jets fans have the luxury of celebrating the single greatest moment in football history (at any level). Everybody else can have their super bowls but nothing will ever top what Namath did.
     
  10. Kris 15

    Kris 15 Well-Known Member

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    I didn't realize you could say "bitch" in the papers. Sweet.
     
  11. TheBlairThomasFumble

    TheBlairThomasFumble Active Member

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    The article does hit on a big truth (I am like the fans he describes), plus, he gets bonus points for the funny analogies about Peter Luger and the Godfather.

    Maybe bitching about the loss is similar to getting head from Megan Fox and being pissed that she wouldn't let you screw her.

    :)

    [​IMG]
     
  12. JohnnyJohnson

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    Hahaha I agree with what he's saying. In fact I'm tired of the SOJ BS. Teams lose games. Teams win games. Sometimes they do it by a blow out and sometimes they squeak by. A win is a win is a win. Gett upset at losses to bad teams. Don't get upset at ugly wins. That's just a personality disorder you need to take up with your therapist. That trait certainly transcends football and you'll end up paying for it sooner rather than later and more often than not.

    So F the tiresome SOJ shit. It's a new time. Teams get bad coaches and have bad stretches lasting years. All teams. Not just the Jets.

    I know this is where Champ chimes in, but we all know Champ has a personality disorder. No offense to Champ but it's obvious and I think he's the only one that doesn't realize it.

    A spreadsheet as a message board shitlist? The throw from the spreadsheet to the daily count isn't all that far. Do you want to be that or do you want to just enjoy the game?

    You decide.
     
  13. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    i dont get some fans i guess. i dont see how a win could have felt better than that. sure i was hoping to be able to relax for the second half ans just be happy. but after watching the lead disappear and then seeing brett favre lead us to a win. i have never felt so happy after a football game. all that nervousness, anxiety whatever it is. it all just dropped off me like a load of bricks. i had never been so calm or relaxed in my life as i was in the minutes after that win.
     
  14. Carpetbagger

    Carpetbagger Well-Known Member

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    It's a product of the media in New York.

    The angst Jets fan's have is unique because every time you get in your car or look at a newspaper, the media is telling you think that way.

    The Bills, for instance, have had plenty of moments similar to the Jets (Superbowl losses, for example), but Bills fans don't think the way we do, because the media is much different, much more optimistic.

    Another thing, I know I am having this "aww shucks" attitude because I don't want to be disappointed like I was in 2002 and 1998.
     
  15. JetsLookingforDWare

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    Vaccaro is a cool guy. I remember when I was like 14 I emailed him and got into an argument about how ARod destroyed Jeter as a player. I emailed a bunch of other writers too.

    He was the only one who answered me back, and he replied to each of my replies.

    He's a very passionate writer, and while I may not agree with his obsession over magic intangibles and stuff, as I get older I kind of see what he's talking about.

    Not that I'd take Jeter over ARod. Ever.

    Anyway, great read from him. But like Carpetbagger points out, he and the media are just as much the issue as the fans here. People think what they're told to think when it comes to sports, and the media noticed and referred to the Jets as "Same ol' Jets" long before fans.
     
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  16. jets&rushfan

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    I never saw such a place in all my life
    This is tomorrow's song
    I think I've waited too long
    Can't seem to see through the scraping of the sky
    And now it seems so wrong
    To think I spent such a...

    Long time suffering and crying to the sky
    Long time suffering and never knowing why

    I have a gift that can see beyond the years
    The child awakening to a city in the sky
    Spent such a long time suffering and never knowing why
     
  17. Steve032

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    i bet if the Jets win a Super Bowl some fans will find something to complain about
     
  18. BadgerOnLSD

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    And everyone else will complain about them complaining. The circle of life.
     
  19. puddnhead

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    Listen to this man. I felt like a broken record saying this, week after week here, so I stopped after a bit. But because this last Thursday some of you took it to new heights of idiocy here, here goes: you "darksiders" are insufferable POSERS. Speaking as a recent recruit here, who has not ever before drunk this "jets darksiders manic-depressive koolaid," I have to tell you, you guys some off looking LAME in the eyes of the outside world for this constant, never-ending teenage drama crap, oh woe is me! the world is not 100.00000000% perfect for you[r team]. It's almost like, paradoxically enough, you cannot be happy unless you are also simultaneously miserable (or rather you are acting like you are ... like I said I think a lot of you are just posers, it's all an act).

    If you don't listen to me, listen to Vaccaro, one of your own for a long time. You are annoying. Other teams win far uglier than that ALL the time, other players, other coaches also do not play as well as they could either -- dudes, that's the norm, not some kind of special "curse"! -- but yet their fans don't instinctively lapse em masse into this crap when they do. I mean, look at my sig. I chose it because it's a reminder of the teenage melodram that goes on around here all the time. "The New York Jets are not a professional team right now." Sheez! I'm pretty sure the Jets had a winning record when he wrote that!
     
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  20. statjeff22

    statjeff22 2008 Green Guy "Most Knowledgeable" Award Winner

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    The Chiefs are another example of a team with as long a history as the Jets have of futility (okay, one year less, but even worse, with only one AFC Championship game appearance rather than two) that doesn't have the "Same Old Chiefs" mindset among the fans.

    I think a big reason for the SOJ phenomenon that hasn't been mentioned is the existence of another local NFL team, and 8 other franchises in the big four professional sports, in the New York metropolitan area. There is absolutely no sense in NY that a sports team is a civic treasure that must be supported no matter what; rather, if your team is less successful than the local rival they are compared to them and ridiculed. The Jets stunk in the 1970s, but the Giants stunk too, so the pressure wasn't there. When they stunk again in the 1990s it was far worse than in the 1970s, since the Giants had won two Super Bowls, even thought the Giants also had plenty of bad seasons in the 1990s. When your next-door-neighbor constantly says "Haha you suck!" to you, it's a lot easier to believe him when you're not doing well.
     

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