Just thought it might be fun to break up the week and talk about how this years defense compared to the 1998 team? Which defense would you rather have? Which coaching staff would you rather have; The 1998 coaching staff vs 2010 Sorry if this topic was discussed in another thread.
The 98 team was pretty nasty, too. Tied for 1st in points allowed, 7th in yards..... I'd say this defense is more talented than the 98 defense, but the 98 D had more depth. Add Jenkins and Leonhard and I'd go with the 2010 D by a smidgeon. As for coaching, it's hard to go against RR right now, but it's also hard to go against the scheming of Belicheat. I'll take the easy way out and say: push.
Curtis Martin, Keyshawn, Wayne Chrebet, Mo Lewis, etc. 12-4 and we won the division. No Contest, 98 was a better team and even bigger heartbreak. Can't compare the Defences, they were completely different.
I thought we ran a 3-4 in 98? Ferguson at NT, Pleasant/Lyle/Hamilton/others rotating at DE?? I could be wrong. Either way the 2010 D is more of a hybrid, technically base 3-4 but we see a shitload of 3-3, 4-3, 46, etc.
looked it up, you are right, 3-4....that is the reason douglas was traded. he did not fit the scheme.
1997: 3-4 1998: 4-3 1999: 3-4 2000: 3-4 Yeah, Douglas did not fit. The problem with 1998 was that Marvin Jones was lost for the season due to an injury suffered in training camp. He played the right inside linebacker position in 1997, 1999, and 2000. With him being out in 1998, the coaching staff opted to go with a 4-3 base to start the season. The first 10 games saw these starters on the line- LDE- Rick Lyle LDT- Jason Ferguson RDT- Ernie Logan RDE- Anthony Pleasant Mo Lewis was the strongside linebacker. Pepper Johnson was in the middle. On the weakside, James Farrior started in Week 1 at San Francisco and got injured in the game. Dwayne Gordon started the next 4 games. Farrior was back for game 6 (the first meeting with the Patriots) and started. Bryan Cox took over the right outside linebacker position for game 7 (vs Atlanta) and started for the duration of the season. Chad Cascadden and Bobby Hamilton got starts on the line vs Tennessee. Vs Carolina the Jets were back to the regular line of Lyle-Ferguson-Logan-Pleasant. The Jets started the game vs Seattle in a 3-4. Lyle at left end, Ferguson at nose tackle, Pleasant at right end. The linebackers were, left to right, Cascadden, Lewis, Johnson, Cox. Ernie Logan was back in the starting lineup at Miami. The regular Lyle-Ferguson-Logan-Pleasant, Lewis-Johnson-Cox lineup was in play. Logan received fewer snaps per game late in the season due to Ramadan. Because he had to fast, he did not have the stamina to play as often as he did earlier in the year. The Sunday night game at Miami was the last time he was in the starting lineup. Belichick went with a 3-4 scheme the rest of the way, although technically Cascadden started at right defensive tackle in the Championship Game. at BUF- Lyle-Ferguson-Pleasant, Lewis-Johnson-Cox-Cascadden NE- Lyle-Ferguson-Pleasant, Cascadden-Lewis-Johnson-Cox JAX- Lyle-Ferguson-Pleasant, Cascadden-Lewis-Johnson-Cox at DEN- Lyle-Ferguson-Cascadden-Pleasant, Lewis-Johnson-Cox
Did anyone else notice that he's already comparing heartbreaks to this season? We had an experienced QB in an ideal system that gave him the best season of his career. Aside from that, where were we REALLY better besides depth in 98? We were 12-4, but really should have been 11-5 (Seattle), which would have given us the same record as now. The reason why we all perceive of 98 as a better team is that it was our first division title since the merger (and a division with 4 playoff teams, no less), we reached the AFCC for the first time in 15 years, carried a lead into the 2nd half at Denver, one of the greatest single season teams of all time. It was simply a magical season that ended the way it began, with a heartbreaker. We went in thinking Glenn Foley was going to save the team (although I was really pulling for Vinny to be signed that summer), had that aforementioned heartbreaker to open the season (toughest game I've ever been at in person), and went on one hell of a run after dropping that game to the Rams. The truth is, we're better now, but in a more competitive AFC.
There is a lot of footage from the 98 game on YouTube. I can't post the links but it is interesting to watch (and very painful). When the Broncos kicked off and recovered it before any Jet could get it.... /wrist
The 1998 Jets went 7-1 against teams that made the playoffs in 1998. Their only loss to a playoff team was the opener at San Francisco. I believe there is only one other team in the history of the league that won 7 regular season games against teams that made the playoffs. I think that other team was the 1997 Packers. The 1998 Jets outscored their opponents by 150 points. That represents the best point differential by a Jets team. The 1968 Super Bowl team is in 2nd at +139. The 2010 Jets outscored their opponents by 63 points which is good for 9th best in franchise history.
The 1998 team might be better than 2010's, but 2010 has a better chance of winning the Championship game. Playing a pretty good Steelers team, instead of a defending World Champion.
The biggest difference between the two years is that the '98 team was built to win within a 2-3 year period. The Denver AFCCG loss sucked because we had such a small window of opportunity. Anyone with a brain knew Parcells wasn't going to stick around very long. Sure Belicheck was the heir apparent but the cap was going to get messy and we had no real backup to Vinny. The defense was not what could be considered young either. HOPEFULLY this is just the start of something big around here with the current group. We have a coach here set up for a long run and a pretty damn good, young QB. We're much better set up for the future with this team so while a loss would absolutely suck on Sunday I don't feel the way I did in '98. Having said that, after feeling the same way about the Mets in 2006, I'd much rather get this damn SB appearance already.
I agree with all of that. The 1998 team was not built to stay together for very long. The core of the team was old. That's why it was such a crusher when Testaverde went down in the first game of the 1999 season.
I dont know for sure about talent and what not, but i LIKE this team a lot more than the 98 team. I liked Vinny a lot who could not like Curtis and Wayne, but this team has way more likeable players I feel. also to quote a columnist this year's jets team is "brash, talented and in your face" which personally I love. I also feel that these Jets have no fear which represents the end of the SOJ era. 1998's squad had an amazing coaching staff and many veterans but for some reason it never seemed like they could win it because you could tell they didnt believe. Maybe its just me. on a side note I read an article on the 100 worst players in NFL history list hypothesized by some columnist for various reasons. Obviously there were a good amount of former and current (gholston cue) jets on there but a suprise to me anyway was that Chad Cascadden made the list, I never thought of him being terrible. Thoughts?
