So...Here we are...(in a room full of strangers.dancing in the dark....oops!) Coming back from the Bye at 4-4. Yes we lost some winnable games.But the key is we LOST them. We haven't been beaten except the first Miami game. So..here's the point. At 5-3 we were talking Super Bowl Champs..Now at 4-4 we're talking Chumps? Answer this...does logic dictate this team is going to get worse, like last years team, or better? We have a soft upfront schedule, excepting NE..then it gets progressively harder.but... Is Indy, or Atl BETTER offensively than N.O. at home ? We gave up 10 points to that offense. (Look what they did to the Giants)...and We've averaged 11 points a game on Defense thru 8 games.. I'll ask it again... Is Indy, or Atl BETTER offensively than N.O. at home ? I don't think so. It looks like this team is good enough to control their destiny starting Sunday. ( I apologize in advance to the panty twisters that will whine about this not being a post in a separate thread.I went back 4 pages looking for an appropriate thread...but..)
The Dolphins are a 1-5 team that we lost twice to. The Bills are 2-5 in games we didn't play them. That makes us 0-3 against two divisional rivals who are 3-10 in games we did not play them. That is epic fail. That's why 4-4 this year is not good enough for people to see this team as good. Two of our wins came against teams that are a combined 4-12 also.
We have the top rated defense and running game in the NFL, but we will always find a way to lose games that we were suppose to win.
Do you watch football? In any division game, you throw out the record. The point here is, Rookie QB, Rookie HC..Will this team be better or worse over the last 8 ? My money says better. Epic Better.
Well, in all fairness, I don't remember people thinking SB 5-3. That talk started when we were sitting at 8-3 after beating the Patriots in Foxboro and handing the Titans their first loss.
You're correct on that. (I was sitting here watching the first 8 games when I posted And realized my error too late...)
I think teams are going to catch wise to our defense and start running the ball on them. As good as the Jets D has looked, they haven't been great against the run. In both Miami games and the NO game they gave up a late backbreaking touchdown drives. I wish I was optomistic, but I just don't think we're that good.
Dierking..after 8 games....we're giving up 11 pts a game. And NOT a single 100 yard rusher...My point was less about the Defense being more perfect, than the team growing out of the mistakes that cost them 3 games in the first half. No one beats this team more than the NY Jets.If they fix that....
Optimistic point-of-view Right now, in our conference, I'd say that there are 4 teams that currently aren't seeded and are still in contention (.500+). Those teams are the Texans (shut 'em out), the Jaguars (play 'em this week), our Jets, and the Ravens. If we beat the Jaguars, we'll essentially knock 1 of those 4 teams out and be 5-4. The Ravens play the Browns this week so they'll be 5-4 as well. The Texans are on BYE, so they'll obviously still be 5-4 too. As long as we get to David Garrard we should win handily. The Jaguars have Jones-Drew and no one else (Revis shuts Sims-Walker down). Plus, I think the offense could potentially perform very well this week (air and ground). Looking ahead, the 2 wild card teams right now are the Steelers and the Chargers (2 very good teams). That's a bit misleading because I think that both teams are going to be sitting on top of their divisions soon. So that actually means that Denver and Cincinnati are the 2 wild card teams right now. I could very easily see Denver lose a ton of games the 2nd half of the season because they really have no upside at this point (similar to after the Titans game last year). The last game of the season could be a wild card playoff game between us and Cincinnati (Sanchez vs. Palmer; his hero). Take your pick for the other spot. :up:
Why do these types of questions keep getting posed this way? It's not merely that the Jets are 4-4, it's the fact that they have lost 4 of the last 5. The TREND and TIMING is part of hte analysis, not merely the 4-4 record. Imagine if the season had played out just the opposite. Many would, and rightly so, be saying "hey this team has really turned it around after that lousy start! Things are coming together!" Instead of that we realize that NE is playing better now than when the Jets defeated them and Tennessee sucks. As do the Raiders. The only other team the Jets have beaten is also 4-4. Meanwhile the Jets have recently lost to Miami, who has a grand total of one win against the rest of the league, and Buffalo, who is mediocre at best. Timing and trends. Add that in. It explains alot.
Put into a single word: Momentum. Or lack of it. We had it and lost it. The Giants are a worse example... and going into a Bye no less (for both teams). The next few games spell our destiny for the year, I'm afraid. We either prove who we are on a consistent basis and get the momentum back again, or we don't. Enough with the tough talk already. I'm sick of it. I don't want the coach to be talking about "kicking their ass" anymore. Just fucking prepare the team for a win, okay? Get the offense, defense and STs ready to kick some ass and you just might kick some ass.
WRONG WORD. What you are looking for is....GROWING PAINS. Particularly on Offense. Defense = 11 ppg. Argue about that. Rookie HC Rookie QB...3 inexplicable losses...
I'm sorry, and I really hope I'm wrong, but I think the stats are lying to us. I think the D is kind of overrated. I see a D that periodically gets gashed for good yards on the ground, has given up three backbreaking time eating drives in three losses, doesn't get a lot of sacks and has to totally sell out on the blitz to get good pressure on the QB. A good disciplined team that's committed to running and sticks with it will have success against the Jets. Look at this another way: Who have the Jets beat? Two of the worst teams in the league, and two teams that clearly weren't hitting on all cylinders at the time. And if the Pats would have just tried to run the ball at all, instead of playing into the Jets' strengths, it might have been different. This is a very mediocre team, to put it charitably. Don't believe the hype.
The saints, the bills and the dolphins twice. Duh. You know less about football than you do about politics. Even if the other team shoots itself in the foot on the way there, the guys with the most points at the end of the game have BEATEN the other guys. Its not like the Jets haven't historically lost in ridiculous fashion before, is it? You COULD argue that the giveaways show no one's BEATEN the Jets D, I suppose, but I still go back to the late, clock killing scoring drives in three of the four losses. We needed the D to make a stop. And it didn't. It was BEATEN. Maybe not mercilessly, like John McCain on election day, but a loss nevertheless. Lets see what our D does with Mo-reece. They stop him cold, I'll happily retract.
Saints..Sanchez GAVE them 14 points. Bills .....He threw 5 pics...... 2ND miami, We gave up 21 without the DEFENSE touching the field Those are GIVEAWAYS. Kind of my point.
And our D has, to its great credit, performed heroically under the kind of pressure those GIVEAWAYS created, yet still, unfortunately, was BEATEN when it had an opportunity to prevail over the other team. On the field. Kind of my point. Sheesh, what time do you start your football drinking anyway?
