There's been a lot of arguing going on, but really, if you look at things objectively, there is a lot of truth to the following. If we can all just agree we can move on and become more of an accepting community. :wink: :beer: 1. Brett Favre has had a better career than Chad Pennington 2. Chad Pennington is having a better year than Brett Favre 3. We can't say with any degree of certainty what the Jets record would have been at this point with Pennington 4. Herm Edwards was and is one of the worst head coaches in any sport, ever 5. Leon Washington is a very good football player (thanks Herm) 6. Dewayne Robertson was pretty much of a bust 7. Vernon Gholston has disappointed to date 8. Vernon Ghotston has shown very little to convince anyone he won't be the next Dewayne Robertson 9. Mike Nugent inspires very little confidence 10. Eric Mangini has been inconsistent and needs to improve Now that wasn't so hard. Surely any reasonable Jets fan can see the truth in those 10 items. :up:
I like Nugent. He's a good, young kicker who tries to get better each year. And Gholston hasn't done anything to say anything about him. It's not like he's played poorly, he's just made no impact plays. I'm gonna ignore the "top 10 picks must make impacts immediately" rule for my posts convenience. Herm's bad, but theres been worse. I love his draft from last year, and their D is somewhat talented.
#3 we'd be better w/ Chad to this point, we may not finish better but through 7 games we certainly would have been better. #4 we all know is not true and you think people would begin to understand that watching Mangini's struggles. #6 he was great for us in 2004, hurt in '05 then we screwed him changing schemes. Overall I guess he can be labeled a bust but had we never changed schemes I think he'd be talked about differently.
I do not agree with 7 and 8. He hasn't disappointed me as of late; I wasn't expecting him to be a factor this year. Maybe next season.
IMO - with pennington you have to look at the defenses we have played to get a good read of what might have been. i think the record would have been either 4-3 or 3-4. not much better or worse. the real comparison comes with this upcoming 4-5 game stretch that features some aggressive defenses with good CB's. these are the ones that kill pennington especially if his coordinator is asleep at the wheel. we'll see how favre does. from what i have seen in dan henning, hackett, and boy schott over the years - my money is with henning - That might have been one of the worst personnel decisions made by the jets back in the transition days of parcells-bradway. jil
This is the only one I disagree with from your list. Edwards has taken two different franchises to the playoffs. That counts for something in my book. I could easily list 50 NFL head coaches who would have loved to have been as successful as Edwards. I have to go play golf now, but if at some point you wish for me to produce a list of turd coaches, I can do so.
The issue is would we be better with Kellen Clemens at this point. That's because if Chad had to absorb the amount of shots Favre has, he'd be injured. In fact, there is one hit that backs me up. In the Bengals game, Favre was hit on his arm while throwing. It was the exact same kind of hit that tore Pennington's rotator cuff. So, Chad would be done at this point and there would be no need for comparison.
Miami has faced better Ds than we have and he has his much less talented team w/ just 1 less victory.
Chad wouldn't have had to absorb those hits b/c the OL has done a very good job protecting Favre, he is holding onto the ball too long looking for big plays instead of taking what the D is ngiving him like Chad does. Just like not all of Favre's 11 INTs are his fault, niot all of the hits he is taking are the fault of the OL.
You're basing your opinion on the premise bolded above. Opinions may or may not be based on objectivity which is debatable but clearly objectivity is in the eye of the beholder. I certainly can't agree that Pennington is having a better year than Favre, Herm is one of the worst HC in any sport every or the Dwayne Robertson was a complete bust.
Pennington is having a better year than Favre? Favre: 4 wins Pennington: 3 wins Head to Head: Favre 1-0. Hmm. Everything else I agree with.
Fvare has MUCH more talent around him, favre's team SHOULD have at least 1-2 more wins. Chad's team should have 1-2 less wins. Chad's team is overachieving, Favre's team is underachieving and the main reason is Chad. No objective football fan would tell you Favre is playing better than Chad but Jet fans are trying to justify the move we made so even though Brett has been bad most of the year the rest of our fanbase will tell us how well Brett has played.
