Yeah, look at the starting QBs faced by the Jets- Chad Pennington, Matt Cassel, Philip Rivers, Kurt Warner, Ryan Fitzpatrick, JaMarcus Russell, Tyler Thigpen The Jets were torched by the only two QBs who were established starters for their current team. (I know what Warner did was mostly in garbage time, though. I considered the entire 2nd half of the Arizona game to be a joke. Therefore, I'm not really giving Warner much credit.) A better team would have taken advantage of such inept opposing QB play. The Giants did such a thing in 2000 and went to a Super Bowl.
You know most people say the Colts and Chargers suck right? Everybody keeps saying LT is done and Peyton has been horrendous.
guys everything is fine.. why complain and want to team to improve on themselves??? Everything is okay they are winning more than they are losing against 1 win teams... its ok, go back to bed.
So what you are saying is that it is good other teams are as shitty as the Jets? Are we to take comfort in the title of this thread? "Hey look, other teams are playing shitty too!"
Hey, this is a big step for DWare. At least he's coming to grips with the fact that our current play is shitty.
I think he was being sarcastic and actually thinks all the teams he listed, including the Jets, are all doing great. Never mind that at least 2 of these teams will not make the playoffs, if not all 4.
Theres exactly one game separating us from first place in this division. Besides for the Titan, every team in the AFC is within one game, tied, or worse than us. You guys act like the team doesn't want to improve, and won't improve as they play more games together. This is a fucking talented Jets roster. And all that'll do is open up the coaching shit and start the merry go round.
Yes. it's a very talented roster. But every team needs coaching, and I don't see it happening. I see a HC, ex-d-backs coach, having a secondary torched up the middle. I see a team with certain personnel disadvantages not coaching better blitzes. If your send 6 guys at 5 blockers, one of your guys should have a move to get to the WB. Teams knew that Pace was the real deal by week 3, that Harris was a player in the majority of the season and we wouldn't mask that deficiency. If you sent 5-6 guys you had better have enough veteran experience by to cover the short routes. This doesn't seem to have happened with this regime. Tell me something, what happens if they get killed on Sunday, and follow it with a 3 game slump? Would you be telling us how possible it is to make the playoffs at 9-7? I think you would. Being an optimist is a good thing for the person, but if you are optimistic about things that have no chance of possibility, Aren't you more delusional than optimistic?
Wow. I didn't know this was Oceania and shit. Sorry to pollute the board with my lunatic and apparently feeble attempts at optimism. BTW: Nice touch with asking me about a possible loss this week like it's already happened. I'll know what I feel when if feel it. My guess is I wouldn't feel good. It's a fun question for you to ask though....cause if I go "what if we won?" you can simply reply "well I'm a Jets fan so I'm happy"...maybe you'll throw in a "they'll let me down eventually" or something. Sorry, but I just don't buy pessimism. It's not really my thing I guess.
^ there is a difference between objectivity and pessimism. Seeing what the team is for what they are is different that just bitching just to bitch. Some things that are negative about the team are just obvious. Like the CS isn't exactly impressing anyone.
That's an awesome way of pretending you responded to my post, and I have to give it to you, you shift into victim mode like it was the second gear of a Ferrari. You write most Jets fan off as pessimists and then you give your shallow versions of why people should throw team concerns to the wind in favor of the box stats you just posted, even though they probably watched the game much more closely than you did. They have probably invested much more emotional energy into the game than you did. And they are probably fed up where you are detachedly full of optimism. There are a lot of Jets fans, and the most die-hard ones have had the worst things happen when they had the highest of hopes. Pepper in a few decades of coaching blunders, and you have someone that can be bitter about how things have gone. No, this isn't the past, it's the present. But it's still the same team that most of us have been following the past numbers of blunders, and things don't appear to be changing for the better. Maybe we pull together for a playoff run, but the smart teams will attack our weaknesses while we attack their strengths. It's not smoke and mirrors, it's a few guys who can't just get it together over the headsets.
ZOMG what would you do if we won Sunday? This is a legit question... Uh huh. Cause one thing you get from me is that I don't know football anywhere *near* as well as you...lol. And you guys are *TRUE* Jets fans compared to me because your outlook is bleak? TF is "emotional energy?" And why am I lacking it? Cause I choose to be optimistic about a fuckin...football game? Cause I don't think a close win as a sign that this team lacks x, y, and z? Why? It's a fuckin sport. I'm a Cubs fan AND a Jets fan...my teams aren't exactly yearly champs...doesn't mean they'll never be good or never have a shot at winning at all. And what exactly is the point of throwing 40 years of failure on your team? Do you guys plan to do this every year til we win no matter the coach, players, or coaching staff? Is that the master plan of Jets fans? Our way of motivating everyone? Lol...so you got your hands on league attack plans? You KNOW we'll attack teams strengths while other smarter, more advanced teams will attack our weaknesses? You guys assume so much like you know *that* much about whats going on. All you sound like is a bunch of spoiled brats...4-3 with 9 games to play and the fucking sky is falling...yet I'm the crazy one cause I don't see the big deal...what a fuckin world right?
You just don't seem to get it, so let me elaborate: It's not that Jets are 4-3 that irritates me (or other Jet fans for that matter.) If they earned that 4-3 with a good effort and sound execution, I wouldn't complain about it. Trust me, I won't. What irritates me is that, Jets are not playing up to their potential. Like I said as Mangini took over two years ago, I only want to see one thing, and that is a competitive football, where they have sound gameplan of attacking and defending, where they don't shoot themselves on the foot with stupid penalties. I just do not see that. This fact drives me nuts. Trust me - if you can a football junkie like me screaming out loud "WHERE THE FUCK IS THE FUCKING RUNNING GAME!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?" (or anything of that sort) on a regular basis, you know the OC is doing something retarded. And no, I'm not talking about hindsights; I could see, from what little TV screen was showing, the defense was anticipating a pass. It's not even like they were trying to deceive the offense into playing a run; they were hellbent on defending pass. How do I know? Look at where the LBs were, and how CBs, and Safeties were lining up. They were willing to give huge cushion up the middle at the cost of covering up the pass. Ok - a play or two, they might be trying to fool the offense. But the duration of entire first half? I don't think so. Or how about spreading the defense out with 5 WRs, but not really utilizing any of zig out route or quick slant? If they are hellbent on defending long passes over the top, and blitzing, you can always capitalize the weakness with a quick slant. After a heavy dose of quick slant, clear out one side (3 WR side, split end for dig route, close one goes for slant) then set one of the WRs (the middle one?) on a zig-out route. Or, if you are more daring, you could call zig out on the short side - you can expect the deep FS to cheat on the 3 WR side, leaving the slot WR in 2 WR side 1 on 1 with LB, more than likely. So... again, clear out on the short side with split end on a crossing route, and set the slot WR on zig route. If the defense falls for it, (especially if the defender overzealously stays on top of the zig, expecting a quick slant and intent to jump in front if that happens) the defense will get burned for a big gain there too. Finally, what if the defense doesn't fall for the zig? Either the defense is committing 2 defenders on that one WR, leaving other match-ups more desirable, or the LB is giving inside with the hope that he can contain the gain from the attack - just take what's available. No reason to force it. It just becomes another quick slant play (as that was the only thing the defense was giving) That's just a few examples of how you set up a long pass with your strength on a short passing attack. Do you see any of that? I haven't seen ANY of that during the first half of this season. In short, they are just not thinking about establishing anything. With that kind of game plan, you cannot expect to succeed on a regular basis. It's things like that, which drives me nuts. By now, I am so sick of BS1. I want him gone after this season.
1. You're not going to fool every offense every play. 2. Our D has been very good. 3. So this play is a sign of incompetence? Have you compared our D or O playcalling compared to others? Or is this based off of the end result? 4. What was the result of that play? Since we have to be obvious about it...how were the safeties and corners lined up? Etc.
I agree with your premise the Jets like the Charges, Colts and Jags suck. As a Jets fan that doesn't make me happy. If I was a Charger or Jags fan I would be upset at the play of my team. The Colts get a pass since they have a proven track record and actually have recently won a SB. You would expect age and wear and tear to start impacting their play and it is. I suspect if the Chargers don't turn it around and make a serious run there will be changes made.
I was asking what you would be saying if we slumped 4 straight games, mostly rhetorical because I already know what you would be saying. 'We can still make the playoffs, all these whiners just don't want to believe it, Jets fans are the worst fans in the world' or some such nonsense. The problem here is that you just don't understand the point of forums like these. You think we should all just sit back and hope and have our fingers crossed and ignore all of the glaring issues with this team. You choose to ignore those glaring issues and assume, in the face of 4 decades of coaching failures, that some master plan will come through and the team not addressing these issues and not attacking other teams' weaknesses is an underlying symptom of greatness. You are basically another shill, bashing people for discussing why the team struggles. This is why you add so little to this forum. I'd bet at least half your posts are bashing other people trying to discuss the problems the team has.
