What is Herm on now, his 4th or 5th OC? Yeah, but it's ALL their fault And when Cottrell was brought on board, he was a highly respected 3-4 coach, and the Jets had 3-4 personnel. It seemed a good match, until Herm decided to change the defense to the TB cover 2, which Cottrell wasn't familiar with. But again, it's everyone elses' fault. I've heard other coaches say "I'm the head coach, the buck stops with me" (ok, so I'm paraphrasing). The final say is always the HC's. But with Herm, he always seems to imply he has no say in anything, and throws everyone else under the bus. That is the point of this thread.
and when Mangini took over we had excellent 4-3 personnel and he chnged us to a 3-4, what's the point?
Excellent my ass. DRob had one good year when Ferguson was here, but has sucked any other time. You really think the Jets' players are superstars when they're not. Perhaps you missed the part where I mentioned Cottrell was a highly respected 3-4 DC who was brought in and then forced to run a defense he didn't know. At least Sutton has been here forever and has experience in both the 3-4 and 4-3. That would be like Tannenbaum bringing in a DC that had extensive experience in the 4-3, only to have Mangini come in and change it to a 3-4 and have the DC learn on the job.
Just had to throw this out there. A guy that posts at another site I have fun at, his name for Herman Edwards? Kansas City Kotite - or KC Kotite, for short. I always thought that was hilarious. And that was BEFORE KC ever played their first game under Herm, if I remember correctly. Makes me laugh like hell every time I see it. :lol: Wasn't there also a thread here called 'Herm throws Larry Johnson under the bus'? Maybe it was JN. Anyway, it was funny stuff, but I'm too lazy to go and try to find it. EDIT: No, wait! 'Herm Kills Larry Johsnon'! So I think there was two of them concurrently. :lol:
Cottrell is so respected that he has done an amazing job since we let him go. he only had succes in Buffalo when Wade Phillips was really running the D. Robertson was great for us in '04, he made ferguson alot of money. neither have been very good since they seperated but Robertson had to change positions. Mangini was hired as a 3-4 guy when we had 4-3 talent- it's the same thing as Mangini is the good who really runs this D.
Where's the love for the GM that put together one of the best drafts in the NFL over the last few years? The Chiefs selected 4 starters and 4 good reserves just this past year. In fact every one of their first 8 selections in 2008 have contributed to the team this year. That's great drafting. Now maybe it's easier to draft well when the talent level on the team is so low. The GM can basically go BPA with every pick because almost every position could be upgraded. But give him credit for hitting on the players he did (Glen Dorsey, Branden Albert, Brandon Flowers, etc). Teams like the Raiders draft high year after year and come away with few if any good players.
You forgot to add, a GM that alienates veteran players and makes them want to leave town at the first availible chance. Add to that, trading a draft pick for a coach that is about to be fired and you have the state of the Kansas City Chiefs. BTW, if we give you another 4th rounder, will you take Herm the Germ back??
Actually I thought KC should have gone with Flacco with one of their first round picks. The Chiefs desperately needed a QB this off season but never got one. Flacco is playing well for a rookie - especially when you consider that he was handed the starting job only 2 weeks before the beginning of the season. He's got poise, great field vision and tremendous arm strength. I think he will eventually become an elite NFL QB in the next few years.
Father Time is KC's QB coach. That isn't really working out so well. Even Huard has regressed under Dick Curl. Someone like that would ruin Flacco or even Ryan. Someone on a the Chiefs board I frequent posted a comparison of Herm's last 20 games with the Jets and the last 20 with the Chiefs. Amazingly, he is 5-15 both times.
Huard? the guy who really led KC to the playoffs 2 years ago? It's hard for a QB to look good w/ that awful OL they have. What is the reason for the comparion of his last 20 w/ the Jets and KC? to invalidate the success he had w/ both teams? That cuts into 3/4 of the '04 season where he led us to 10 wins. In '05 half the team was injured. That is the most asinine comparison I have ever seen. It's funny when I point out facts like when he took over the Jets we hadnb't made the postseason in 3 years and only made it 2 times in 14 years then he led us 3 times in 4 years that's not a good comparison but let's take his 1 awful season here when he had injuries and add a few games down the strecth from another season and come up w/ a bad # just like w/ KC. That team hadn't been to the postseason in 3 eyars and had been there just 2 times in 8 years and he led them to the postseason w/ Damon Hiuard as the QB most of the year but of course that doesn't matter he should only be judged when they have no talent on the OL and no QB and their RB is a headcase.
