Alio-none of the QB's you're talking about were mediocre talents. Phil Simms could make all the throws and threw a beautiful ball. As good as Faulk and Bruce were, Warner was the best player on the team the two years he was healthy and the center of everything. The Pats best player isn't Richard Seymour, it's Tom Brady. Rothlesberger is a gifted QB who while having an awful SB was able to make a critcal play that turned the game toward Pittsburgh. You get a great QB whenever you can and than you have 5 to 10 years to make a couple of runs with him. If your lucky you can build a team that can win more than 1. If you don't have that guy the chances of getting 1 is almost impossible and you will never get two.
I guess we just disagree then winston. I was a bit young when Simms was playing, but I don't remember him being an elite QB. I actually remember liking Hostetler (sp?) better. I really don't agree about Warner, but your opinion is fair enough. I think Brady is very talented, but I also think he is a product of his system and coaches. Could he have done the same job in say, Miami? I'm not convinced of that. Ben is a huge talent. Don't get me wrong. Does he win a SB without the supporting cast he had this past year? It would depend on the team, but if he was wearing green and white this past year he would be crippled. I don't know about never getting one. Dilfer showed you don't have to be great to win. Sure, a great QB helps, but again, I think it's more the leadership of the man under center than the raw talent he possesses. Look at Peyton. Quick to point the finger, but the fact is, he went home early in a year he was close to undefeated.
For a while, Simms lost his job to Mark Brunner, thanks to the genius Parcells. He also was very injury prone early in his career. While this is a little off point, it was no slam dunk that Simms would become what he became. He almost slid into oblivion.
Simms was a 1st round pick out of a very small time program. Parcells got very impatient with him mostly because Parcells had no patients for injured players. Simms got healthy at the right time but he always was a very talented passer. You are right that Parcells came very close to running him out of the league before he pulled it together. Alio, I think you should go look at the numbers Warner put up with St. Louis in 99 and 01 and than look at the numbers Bulger, a talented QB put up with the same offensive team in 02 and 03. Warner was absolutely brilliant compared to any QB in any era.
I understand what you are saying Winston, but again, my point goes back to the intangible. I think Warner was a great leader, Bulger on the other, hand isn't. If it were just about talent at QB, the Colts should be winning every year. There is no excuse, with all of those offensive tools, that they shouldn't be playing for a title every year. However, Manning is a piss-poor leader. He thinks it's okay to berate his teamates on the field, then point his finger everywhere but at himself in post-games. Sure talent isn't a bad thing, but if you can't lead, and also have the tools around you, it doesn't make a difference how accurate you are, or how hard you throw. Brett Favre has been a phenominal talent throughout his career, but his leadership and the players around him brought him to the SB. Can anyone truly question his raw talent, even now? You can say he threw INTs a lot last year, but why? He had no one to distract defenses. Playing with your sixth string RB is just about as bad as your third string QB.
Let me just say, I may question Chad's ability to stay healthy, but after seeing him perform with that injury I will never question his toughness. I also suffered an injury to my rotator cuff. I could barely lift my shoulder, much less throw a football over and again! I agree with ThunderbirdJet 100%. Chad is tough as nails.
Just remember, the sentiment of Chad's "softness" is coming from the likes of people who wanted Abe to play on a knee he could barely stand on. Sometimes I wonder if some people have ever had any worse injury than a papercut. If he had nothing else, Chad is one of the toughest people to ever line up under center.
