I see the guy who was in Chicago this year in terms of TJ, but he is not an elite RB. There are only 10 of those in the NFL. The Bears did draft a kid to replace him, but he is a bust (a true bust, not what we think is a bust on this board). But TJ is a good serviceable back, just above a JAG with his blocking skills and his ability to catch the football. A better replacement can be found, but he is not ineffective. A 2nd-4th round pick can be used to find the heir apparent. The 1st round pick should go to a glaring hole, like a safety opposite Rhodes, a punter :smile: or even a DE. RB problems aren't a glaring hole in this team.
I think the most discouraging thing about this situation is that we have a scout team who consistently finds good talent in the mid-to-later rounds, and that is where most of the servicable punishing backs are dredged up from. For a position that is so influential in the success of a team, and with it apparently being the most readily available talent pool around in recent years (physical tailbacks who make an immediate difference), and also with the direction that league defenses have taken in terms of physicality... this bothers me a bit, too.
no, i also believe jones is fine, however the complainers on this forum need something to complain about and since we put up 56 points favre and our cs are off the hook this week and we move on to jones, when he puts up 100 yrds and a td against the bengels everyone will prolly move on to a new bashing victem. people seem to have forgotten that we have tj in our back field not lt. jones has looked pretty good so far this season, nothing spectacular but good. the whole he goes down on first hit accusers need to rewatch the games, and his cuts have been good. now down near the goal line.....every single time we run near the goal line our o line loses every battle, even the 1 td jones got in the dolphins game he had to cut it to the outside to get the score. anyway im done ranting for now, just tired of all the negative crap i've been reading on here.
And I'm tired of sunshiners whining about player analysis as 'negative crap'. We lack a power running aspect to the team (hopefully this will change when Chatman gets back) and it's hurting the overall gameplan. That is a fact. If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend that isn't the truth, then I guess that's your way of being a fan. Thomas Jones is what he is. He brings a certain skillset to the table and it doesn't punish defenders. I've defended him this season and probably will again, but I'm not going to pretend he is something that he is not. Just saying 'Thomas Jones is fine' doesn't change things.
I would kill for a back like Lynch on our team... he always fights hard for his yards, and refuses to go down. A bruiser like him would do wonder for this offence.
Don't we have Neon Leon for it already? ----------------------------------------------------- 1. I think the running game is fine just the way they are now; it seemed to me that Jets focused more on passing than they would have normally in last week's game. Does that mean the ground attack was ineffective? I strongly doubt that - barring the first 3 and out series where Leon started, TJ almost always converted when his number was called. Him not having 150 yards game doesn't bother me at all. 2. Even in the losses, TJ was rather consistent with his output - averaging more than 4 yards a carry. If you consider that he doesn't hit home runs like many other stellar RBs do, you will know his work is a consistent output that you can rely on regardless of the defense he faces. What's not to like there?
Um...Jones struggled against the Pats, Chargers, and Cardinals...not some pile of crap. And I'd say you're just exaggerating the position of the "sunshiners"...since by "fine" we mean just that..."fine." He isn't going to blow you away, but he'll get the job done. You're saying the same thing as the "sunshiners", you just choose to say it a little more negatively. No point in acting like we're going to find a better RB right now...so why complain...especially since we're getting Chatman back anyway.
I'm not complaining, I know exactly what we have in Jones and have accepted it, and have said as much many times. He is what he is. Now that Chatman is back, I do hope it rounds out the running game and helps the passing game remain dynamic in the future. Your mistake is thinking that I am complaining instead of just analyzing Jones' game with a critical eye. It's part of being objective.
I watched the game again last night. The holes were there. When Thomas got to them he was brought down by a single tackler each time. He didn't break any tackles. He didn't even fall forward. He's not a feature back. I hope that Chatman has the same holes. I think that you'll see some big runs then.
Agreed, Ive been saying for a while that TJ looks just like Curtis out there on the field running. Although he is jacked, he doesnt seem to pack the punch you would expect. There is a lot of cutting and diving forward through holes instead of hitting the holes hard and trying to stay on his feet.
no but saying jones is fine is exactly the way it is, he is fine. the point im trying to make is if we had tomlinson in our back field and he is running the way jones is, then we would have something to bitch about. but the fact remains we had jones and hes doing exactly whats hes supposed to do.
Daily News confirms what I've been saying all year: The New York Daily News believes that Thomas Jones has "lost a step." This was the talk in training camp and his Shaun Alexander-esque 3.0 yards per carry average over the last two games has done nothing to calm that fear. Jones is in danger of losing significant playing time to Leon Washington.
I voted O-line. They're giving Favre great pass protection but are having trouble moving D-lines and making holes. On the several plays where they did make a good lane, Jones was able to capitalize on it and made some great yards. So, yeah, I think the O-line needs to work on that. Jones will be fine if you give him some openings. Let's not forget that the NE and San Diego defensive lines were not pushovers, either.
I agree. Look at the Fins game. The O-line was able to move their D-line, Jones had a good day. Against NE, SD and AZ (to a lesser extent) that was not the case. Despite all our excitement over the off-season additions and the hope of a dominant running game, the Jets still have a poor run blocking O-line. And, with all the long-term deals that isn't going to change anytime soon.
I don't like that set they run from with the back 8 yards deep. They usually call a run in that set and it is so slow to develop, well, you know what happens. Jones gets hit, goes down. Someone's pinky brushes his shoelace, he goes down.
Yeah, but don't be too pessimistic just yet. These guys are all good linemen in their own right and like KurtTheJetsfan said, it's going to take some time for them to jell and know one another. I'd like to think they're getting better each week in the run department. Let's hope the Bye week gets them better synchronized. I'm sure Mangini recognizes this weakness big time. We can't keep on being a pass-happy team like we've been. Yeah, it's working right now, but you can't do that forever and hope to be a playoff contender. We need the balance. Get a running game going and the sky's the limit as to the passing attack.
I hate Leon up the middle. It always seems like such a waste of his energy. He's a scatback... get him the quick dumpoff somewhere where he's got some room. He gets smothered up the middle. I'd rather work on Jones and Chatman up the middle. We should probably be using FB Richardson more too, because that got us some results on Sunday when we did. But the real load still falls on the O-line to make any of this happen. If they don't start getting more of a push from the snap, it's going to be a long season with the run attempts. It wouldn't hurt to have our TEs do a little better job of run-blocking also.
I am not sure how physically being dominated at the LOS is going to change with coaching. I am all for "jelling"...let's see what happens. On a side note, I really hope that Mangini doesn't come out of the bye and try and prove the Jets are a power running team. I didn't mind the 3 straight rushes against NE, but an entire game of that would be a disaster. If nothing else, I hope he learns from that that this line is not a power running blocking line and finds other ways to work the running game in.
I don't think I'm quite ready to concede that our O-line is being physically dominated. After all, they are giving Favre quite a bit of pass protection, so we know it's possible to hold their own at the LOS. I just think it's speed to some degree... that split second off the snap where they need to get the push. Again, look at the DEFs we've been up against too. NE and SD and even Arizona were no pushovers. I think the upcoming schedule favors us being able to work on this and work on creating better holes. Give Jones and Chatman just a tad more daylight and it can mean all the difference in the world. Get the running game going and look out with the passing game. We could easily be looking at scoring 30-40 points per game.
I thought the Jews were responsible for the running game problems. Aren't they responsible for everything and own the world and stuff?
