Eh, Elvis Dumervil had like 18 sacks last year and i wouldnt call him a beast. Just out of curiousity, how many sacks did Manny Lawson get. With a DE tandem like that, im expecting ridiculous numbers.
Naw, Royal, I have wanted the FO to draft Brick for a while. Many because I am not sold on JOnes in the least, I see him more as depth since he can play both postions. And if you are going to rebuild an O-Line you start with the LT. I don't want a repeat of last year with the Jets going through 5 QBs. I do think Brick will put on 15 lbs. and become an elite LT in the league. At least in my opinion LT is more of a need at this point than DE. Then again I am not a GM. Then again, I don't have an ego and can see the talent of Williams. So I won't be upset if the FO drafted him. It is a win-win for the Jets, I am just basing my preference on what i see is the bigger need, and I have seen Brick play (I have always been impressed). As for the sig. eh, I did more for the haha factor. If after the draft they do draft Brick and Mangold, i can say haha i told you so, a little joke. I will leave that in until the draft, but in all honesty, I would be alright with Williams.
I like it better than the people who waffle and then 2 years from now claim "they knew".... I think most of us are all big enough football fans to have perspective - I'm 38, I've seen enough bad drafts, enough JET bad drafts to know it doesn't always pan out. I just like to see where everyone stands... It took me a little time and I was leaning Vince Young maybe a month ago but, I'm done. My choice is made. And just because people pick "their player", it doesn't mean they are claiming the guy is the next Super Man.... I think it's a great draft and we're all going to be happy..... I just don't want to trade up for anything...
Lawson: 58 tackles, 19.5 TFL, 10.5 sacks, 14 QB hurries, 6'5 245, in his SENIOR year Williams: 62 tackles, 24 TFL, 14.5 sacks, 15 QB hurries, 6'7, 295, in his JUNIOR year Dumervil: 61 tackles, 23 TFL, 20 sacks, 2 QB hurries, 5'11, 255, in his SENIOR year Williams has freakish size, amazing natural ability, and huge upside. Dumervil is incredibly small, gets by on motor and motor alone, and doesn't have nearly any upside at all. Williams is a beast and one of the best defensive prospects to come out in years. Dumervil could be a nice situational pass-rusher.
Dumervill reminds me a lot of Dwight Freeney coming out of college. Might not be as good, but in his last year at Cuse Freeney had a ton of sacks. But when the draft came around people said he was too small to be good in the NFL. Turned out his size didn't affect him, as he just had a motor and great ability to get to the passer.
im an FSU fan(same conference and division as NCSU) and ive watched Mario Williams since his freshman yr. Ive even watched him in person. no need to dress it up tho, the title of the thread says it all really. if we passed on him at 4 i would be utterly ballistic
The pick will be Williams. Ferguson will be gone. If there both on the board which i doubt you take Williams because there is a huge drop off of talent after Williams. As for Ferguson there are 3 or 4 tackles that will be just as good. So take your tackle later in the 1st or second rds. Dont worry about Qbs Ramsey will surprise people and they will take Olsen or Croyle later on.
I was unimpressed with our defense last year, but it was certainly better than the offense. Given it is easier to make something good even better than it is to make something bad, good (in football at least, unlike basketball where 1 player can make the whole difference), I vote to make the defense better before the offense (unless someone has a crystal ball and can name the offensive player who at number 4 will be a 1 man answer).
There is no one man in this draft that can make this offense better. Even Bush would struggle because there is no line in front of him. Offense needs many players as you said the defense 1 or 2 can make then very,very good. Thats the way to go. FIx hte o with numerous picks throught the draft. Take Williams for an imediate impact.
If Mario is there we should POUNCE you want to talk about a player who can CHANGE the course of a game...well the 1st one will be off the board by the time we pick (Reggie Bush). Mario will see his fair share of double teams and what have you, that'll free up Ellis and if you let Ellis roam the field then they can NO LONGER double on Williams. He's the type of player who makes OCs change their game plan.
Im so happy to see someone thinks like me. It annoys me how people try to discredit D'Brick even though hes been the most consistent top 5 pick next to Leinart for over 2 yrs now. Then they mention Mario Williams but all they mention are his measurables. Maybe a handful have seen him play or know his actual stats. Everybody else wants him because hes big and fast. You would think this kid broke the single season sack record. And honestly, I expected more from Mario Williams last year. He only had 14 sacks last year, and its not like he was double teamed all the time, because he had another premier DE on the other end in Manny Lawson drawing double teams and DT John McCargo. They had a monster front four. You would think one of them wouldve really benefitted from the other. People fell in love with Mario after the combine, not before. All these "experts" only recently found out about Mario. Samething happened when Sinorice Moss ran his 40 time, all of a sudden we need a burner because Santana Moss and Steve Smith had great years last year. Then the Cutler hype built up and all of a sudden Cutler was the pick. Jeremy Bloom is mentioned on tv, what do you know, we should draft Bloom. People are going to break their ankles jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon.
i respect your opinion, but... i know a lot of people on here post some bull$hit, so you can take this for what it is.... i've lived in NC for the past five years (i graduated from UNC-Wilmington this past Decemeber) so i've watched my fair share of NC teams play, especially NC St. i have a good buddy who who went to the same high school as Mario Williams (i forget the HS name right now) and they've known since then that he was going to be a high pick in the draft; meaning, the Combine really has nothing to do with Williams' talent. let's say his projection - like you said - was between 5-6; now his projection is somewhere between 2-4. it's not that significant of a jump to say he's a "workout warrior." sure, the Combine may have improved his stock, but there's no denying his talent. the people who weren't originally on his "bandwagon" were the people who hadn't been exposed to him (like any other player). i mean, the dude is 6'7,290lbs. with good numbers and impressive tape. nevertheless, possessing those demensions is rare, and it allows him to play with a lot of versatility. Combine or not, Williams is a beast. in no way am i denying Brick's talent, but i'm of the opinion that the payoff of drafting Mario will be much greater than that of drafting Brick. cheers
I cannot argue that Mario Williams is not the shit, but it seems silly to spend the #4 on the same position/calibur player that we JUST traded in order to improve our strength in this years draft, I mean I know that Abe did not want to play here and that he was not going to play no matter what, I know that it is good to get rid of a crybaby, but wouldn't you like to see an ELITE player in another position instead of always waiting for the DE to make the big play. We have been watching that position with J-Abe for years as our teams biggest playmaker, does noone agree with me that it should be somewhere else and it might have a bigger impact?
Signing mid-level OTs in free agency and drafting late round O-Line projects (like we did the past 5 years) is a great way to go through another 5 QBs this year.
Lets review the last few months on the TGG bandwagon. First everyone wanted to sell the house, balls, and their grandmother to trade up and get Bush. Then came Young. After the FA started the Leinart posse showed up. After a few weeks Cutler was the next Namath. Then after the combine Williams was the next inductee into the HOF. You don't see a trend here? The fact of the matter is that Brick was a projected top 4 pick the past 2 years for a reason. I am of the opinion that I don't want another year with our QB spending more time on his back than on his feet. The payoff of drafting a frandchise LT (which I believe Brick will be) is that it will anchor the Line for years to come, give our QB (whoever that will be) time to throw which will open the passing game, and with his frame he can add 20 lbs. easy, which when added to his athleticism, would help the run game. That is one hell of a payoff to me. And no Jones is not the long term answer, IMO. The 2 do not compare. Since they just signed Kimo, I don't see DE as such an immediate need. The offense, especially the O-Line, needs new blood and talent. We have dumped all of our high round talent into the defense the past 5 years. It is time to help the offense catch up.
