Sorry, I got on a roll and just started listing starters:smile: According to Parcells himself he gave all that power to groh and judging by our awful '97-'99 drafts compared w/ our excellent 2000 draft I believe him.
Our 97 and 98 drafts didn't have a first rounder because we traded them to the pats for parcells and curtis. Our 99 first rounder was low because we were 12-4 in 98. Its no suprise we had bad drafts with no picks. In 2000, we had 4 first round picks, so of course it was bound to be better.
Aree you suggesting he was not good on draft day? Its kind of like you are saying that BP was not effective at rebuilding the Jets. Do you look at the Cowboys and think he had nothing to do with their current team as well? If Herm would have taken over the Kotite team he would have lasted 1 season - two tops.
We had the #1 overall in 1997, we traded that(Orlando Pace) for a package of picks that included farrior and Leon Johnson. Good GMs get players anywhere, it doesn't matter that we didn't have 1st rd picks or that we drafted late. About half our picks didn't even make the roster in the years they were picked or didn't last more than a year. That is pathetic. He was AWFUL on draft day. He played a role in the Cowboys being rebuilt but he wasn't as responsible as you think. BP inherited ALOT of talent, Herm would have been able to win w/ those teams.
The cowboys were 5-11 for three straight years. I watched every move BP made in Dallas. It took him a little longer to find the right QB. But look how that turned out. He built the team. So Herm could have won with Kotites team but could not win when the the Jets finially became a "Herm" built team. Sure - I beleive that.
He got LUVKY w/ Romo. He brought in Vinny then Bledsoe, he thought Drew Henson was his guy- he got completely lucky w/ Romo. he didn't bring in a single OL that is starting for them or the FB, he didn't bring in TO. So he got lucky w/ Romo, drafted witten, Barber and Crayton. defensively he drafted ware, James, Spears, Newman, ratliff & Canty. He didn't draft Thomas, Williams, Hamlin, Henry, and Ellis. As you can see he played a part in building Dallas but he didn't build them into a Championship contender(which oh by the way they still haven't won a playoff game since 1996). Parcells did abetter job drafting in dallas but overall he was still a mediocre GM. 3 playoff apps his first 4 years isn't winning? You are crowing about Dallas who haven't even won a playoff game yet Herm led us to the only no-Pats div title since '01 and 2 playoff wins yet he couldn't win? We had ALOT of talent on that '96 team to build around. Parcells inherited Mo, Marvin, Murrell, O'Donnell, Key, Chrebet, Baxter, Brady, Douglas, Graham, Jumbo, O'Dwyer, Anderson, Green, Glenn, Coleman,... Herm could have been successful w/ that group.
Herm Edwards and the Chiefs Chiefs fans, perhaps upset with today's announcement that Tyler Thigpen will start at QB against the Falcons, since the Chiefs have lost their first 2 quarterbacks have launched a Web site to campaign the team to bring in a new QB. "With the struggles of Derek Anderson and the Cleveland offense -- tied for last in points per game and third to last in yards per game; this week, good luck in Baltimore -- we can't see the Browns parting with Brady Quinn. But don't let that get in the way of hopeful Chiefs' fans, who have started a Get Brady Now Web site." I think this is a pure pipe dream. With the struggles of Derek Anderson and the Cleveland offense - tied for last in points per game and third to last in yards per game; this week, good luck in Baltimore - I can?t see the Browns parting with Brady Quinn. http://www.getbradynow.com/
Herm Edwards has run another playoff team into the dirt... The Germ inherited a playoff caliber team, not once but twice and both times he managed to run them into the dirt. He is far from a NFL caliber coach and his NFL time is quickly coming to an end. It has been 11 months since the Chief have won a game yet before he arrived they won an average of 10 a season. I don't know one Chiefs fan that can stand him yet they were so happy to get him. Sound familier? I never like him as a coach but many Jet fans were mad we let him go. He is a prime example of what happens when you hire a DB coach to be a head coach. He had never even been a coordinator or assistant coach at any level. Well I had hoped we would not repeat history but we have the Mad Hatter as our coach now and he also had no coordinator or assistant coach experience and it is showing. He does not know how to evaluate talent or implement the talent we already have. I hope in the future we will someday have a true NFL caliber coach... until them we will be an average team at best.
I had thought that Crennel would not likely make it to January as head coach of the Browns. Fired on 12/29 or earlier. Then they started 0-2. Anderson is the most erratic QB I have ever seen and that includes his college days. I think Quinn will take over the starting job at some point this year and the team will have a new head coach in 2009.
No one cares about Herm Edwards anymore...We care about Mangini growing some testicles on the field and not picking up hermitis this season
Herm probably didn't maximize the team he had here, but he surely didn't run them into the ground. 3 playoff appearances, that's not running a team into the ground.
Herm inherited two aging teams with some fundamental weaknesses likely to emerge on the horizon. He then stuck with vets longer than he should have and failed to allow young players to make an impact before the vets became ineffective. Hand him a Super Bowl caliber team and he very likely will get them to the Super Bowl. No way in hell he'll ever build a team up to that level though or coach them to a magic season even without all the pieces. One other very interesting point with him is that despite his reputation as a player's coach he has consistently lost the few young prime players he had that had any way to wriggle away from him and in amazing ways too. How the hell Jared Allen slipped through his fingers is beyond me.
I think it's more like "Herm runs hall of fame RB and RB who had potential of going to the HOF into the ground."
