I never said you can't find a QB in the later rounds, because when you have a franchise QB it makes sense to draft QB's late. NFL history shows late QB's can be developed into good even great QB's over time. When you have nothing at QB and keep brining in JAGs at the end of their careers and then are Afraid to draft a high QB because of the potential Bust factor, you end up with what the Jets have now, a one year shot at the division and an off-season search for a starting QB coming up.
Well, except they have Kellen Clemens, who may or may not be a first-day bust, and Brett Ratliff, who seems to be maturing quite well for a rookie FA signing. But who's counting?
yeah so...this board should have been posted and discussed about 3 years ago, btw grogan you're an idiot.
I hate to say it but this time Grogan is right. If Favre takes us to the super bowl and then decides to retire we lose our first round pick. Anybody who thinks Clemens is the answer at QB is crazy. Without that first round pick we won't even have a QB we can groom unless Ratliff becomes a savior. We also won't have any picks to trade for one so then what do we do?
So you'd rather forego making a superbowl appearance just so you can hold onto a low 1st round pick which may or may not turn into a decent player? You do know that QB's can be drafted after the first round, don't you? Pure brilliance.
Of course not, where did you get that from? I said what I said. If we do go and he retires we won't have a QB next year. Do you really want to fall back into the abyss after making the SB for the first time in 40 years? I don't. As far as QBs in later rounds being successful, yes it happens. About once every 10 or 20 years.
No offense Don but Grogan is a low IQ troll with little knowledge of anything. Grogan don't take that at as personal attack it wasn't personal it was just an observation without my green glasses on. We have 3 young developmental QB's on the team right now. You don't and nobody else on this board knows if any or all of them is the answer long term. Ratliff may turn into something special and while you may not think Clemens has the "it" factor, he does have excellent throwing skills and is clearly a very bright young man. Eli didn't have the "it" factor before the end of last years but it was obvious he had huge NFL skills and that's why the Giants bet the farm on him over Rivers and were proved right. The salary cap is going up. 1st round draft picks are hugely expensive unkowns. There has been a subtle shift from low price draft picks being undervalued to medium priced FA's with a proven track record becoming increasingly more valuable. If we win a SB with Bret Favre and actually give up the last pick in the first round we will have won as many SB with Favre as Indianopolis has with Payton Manning, St. Louis did with Orlando Pace, The Giants did with Phil Simms, more than the Bengals have won with Carson Palmer, the Dolphins with Dan Marino and on and on and on. Anyone who wouldn't trade the 32nd pick in the draft for a shot at a SB today is completely out of their mind. Not to mention the day Favre walks out we pick up 12.5 MM toward the cap. I think we made a huge mistake passing on Cutler in that draft only because of two things, he was a great QB prospect and we were totally desperate for a QB in that draft and were starting a rebuild from scratch.
If we win a Sb it is worth it to have traded the first pick in the first round. No matter who he turns out to be.
If we drafted Cutler and not Brick, there would have been nobody to protect his blind side and he might have David Carr syndrome by now. It's really hard to go back and say for sure. Maybe if we drafted at the same position you can better compare, but that's not the case here.
Wow. Cutler has one 300-yard game against bar none the worst team in the League after a season and a half of what can only be called mediocrity and people are crying about taking D'Brick over him? Really? Name the "franchise QB" that has succeeded in spite of a crap O-Line. The hype in this draft surrounded Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco. If Parcells thought one of them was a franchise QB, like some here do, don't you think he would have used one of his many then-current and future picks to secure him? Especially since JOHN BECK was projected to start for him under center? Instead, he made it a point to firm up both sides of the line. Why do you think Brady has been so good in New England? He gets the football equivalent of a lifetime to throw the ball. Until that O-Line ran into Spagnuolo, it looked like a brick wall. On the other side of the ball, New England still has the best front three in the game. Notice how Pioli is smart about keeping the two lines together; his team has "mystifyingly" survived major turnover, but notice how none of it has been on the O-Line or D-Line. Just goes to show that if you can dominate the battle at the line of scrimmage, the rest will fall into place nicely. The Jets needed to draft D'Brick because he gave them by far the best chance at improving their performance in the trenches. On both sides of the ball, it bleeds into everything else (running game, pass coverage, etc.)
Walsh was also from an era where you could keep guys as long as you want. There are no more Steve Youngs hanging around five years to play anymore.
The logic still holds, you find a 4th or 5th round pick that can be a decent starting QB, and you just added a high draft pick to your team for anything they might need down the road.
That's fine - a couple of things though. 1) Walsh didn't draft a QB every year. 2) The Jets did draft a QB in the second round in '06, then added a talented QB as an UDFA last year who is now our 3rd stringer pushing for 2nd string. They drafted another QB late in the draft this year. I think they're doing pretty well planning for the future at the QB position as of right now even though they haven't used a 1st round pick on one.
How can you complain about a scenario is which the Jets get to the Super Bowl? I wouldn't care if they went 0-16 next season if they won a Lombardi this year. In fact, sign me up for that: I'll take a winless season next year to see the Jets win a Super Bowl.
the value holds true... ferguson had a higher value at where we took him more so then what whouldve happened with cutler... im happy the way it turned out... ill take feguson and mangold over cutler anytime...
