I am a Favre fan, as well as a Packer fan, but that doesn't mean I worship the fucker. He's absolutely without question the most exciting player I've ever seen step onto a football field, and i've never enjoyed watching any NFL player more than I enjoy watching him, but he's got his shortcomings too. You want to only discuss his good points, go right ahead, but I talk about his shortcomings as well as his good qualities. If you're so insecure you can't bear to hear anyone mention his shortcomings, that's just tough shit. Grow up. Only a child truly believes the world is as black and white as you seem to want it to be. If you simply can't imagine a world in which someone can be both a Favre fan and a Packer fan, and are unable to bear anyone speaking from such an unimaginable perspective, then I guess you're just going to have to make sure your blood pressure prescription is freshly refilled, because i have absolutely no intention of dumbing down what I say just to help keep you from becoming emotionally unbalanced.
Wildthing,I would imagine you are like most of the other young punks that have not been a Packer fan very long. Maybe you don't know how bad the Packers QB's were through the 70's and 80's. The reason I say this is it seems the supposed Packer fans that trash Brett are young that didn't go through the shitty years. You really appreciate how special a player like Favre is,when you have been a Packer fan as long as me. If you can't see that TT wanted Favre out you are blind. TT is an idiot and this WILL come back to bite him. As far as Brett choking in the playoffs,BULL last year should not of even been an OT game but Al (burn me) Harris lost the game single handidly. Most other years Farve has to try and win it by himself because they are usally outcoached in the playoffs,or thanks to TT out classed talent wise. So Wildthing go back to PackRats or whatever Favre bashing Packer forum you came from.
Wild Thing: The 2001 NFC title game is a cheap shot. I was there. St. Louis was running on all 16 cylinders and burning Jet (no pun intended) fuel that day. They had so many weapons and Martz had his greatest show on turf; they were going to score big points and rather than play within GBs limits and they were so very limited compared to St. Louis; Favre went for it. Two tipped passes for interceptions because the line folded. Receivers not running routes--whose fault is that? Sorry, can't blame Favre for that one.
Mind you, they would be jumping up and down if that happens. They'll get a first rounder in exchange and no one in the NFL would have been willing to give a first rounder for Favre on a straight non-conditional trade. If Favre wins SB with the Jets, that does'nt mean he would have done it with the Packers too. Every team is different. If Favre stayed at Atlanta, who knows he probably would have had more than 1 ring or maybe not even a single SB appearance. Its just different with every team, even though the QB is the most important position in NFL.
The media and public perception would absolutely destroy TT if the Jets were to win the superbowl w/Favre this year and the Packers fell on their faces. If you think otherwise you're nuts.
I never saw Namath play live. However, I can relate to what old Jets fans from the 60s an 70's have in relation to Packers fans from the pre-favre era. Love them both...Go JETS!
You're the one who seems to see things only in black and white. As in you're right and everyone else who thinks differently is wrong.
Obviously Favre could've handled the situation better, but the fact is so could the organization. And to put the blame on one man while there's an entire organization of professionals who should be capable of handling these kinds of situations is ridiculous.
yea, but its a fascinating look inside another fanbase. Its like looking through a glass wall at a live exhibit of some sort. Very interesting thread. We must be Steve Irwin-esque. Observe for a while, and then blatantly step in when the time is right.
Agree with your post. #4kicksA$$, are u a former/present packerrat? You are right, lots of Favre bashing/TT lovefest going on there.
You are right, it is. It's an emotional subject for many Packer/Favre fans because Favre was treated badly by the Packers IMO. It is time to move forward. I hope that is Favre's last interview in which he mentions anything about Ted Thompson or the Packers. Jets fans have been very sympathetic allowing the Packer/Favre fans that moved here to vent. Thank you all. But it really is time to put the past behind and focus on a great season for the Jets!! Besides, every win Favre has with the Jets will make that white-haired, bug-eyed Thompson cringe a little. :smile:
Oh, you would imagine that, would you? Well, then you would be as wrong about that as you and most of the rest of you Favreheads are about almost everything else. The first game I ever attended at Lambeau, I watched Bart Starr float two absolutely perfect touchdown passes right into the hands of Boyd Dowler, loping down the right sideline like a gazelle. I think that was somewhere around 1966, and I've lost count of the number of games I've attended there since. I spent two summers working at the old Brown County arena, back when the Packer Hall of Fame was housed there, shoveled snow and sold popcorn at Lambeau as a teenager, and have met most of the late 60's Packers many times. I met Bart Starr so many times as a kid, he knew me well enough to call me by my nickname when he saw me in the grocery store. I know how bad the Packers were in the 70s and 80s. I know how good Brett Favre is. I don't care anymore how many regular season touchdowns he throws, I don't care how exciting he is to watch in the regular season, I'm sick and tired of watching him go one and done in the playoffs every single year because he can't stop himself from throwing stupid, needless interceptions when he's under stress. If I thought there was any reason whatsoever to believe that he's got a realistic chance of leading Green Bay to another championship, I'd probably be right there on the same side of the fence you're on. But I don't believe that. I'm unable to believe it. I've seen him fall apart in too many playoff games to ever expect him to do anything but melt down in the playoffs. That's why I think he's a great fit for the Jets - no offense, but this is probably not a team that's going to the Super Bowl this season anyway, so he's not going to hold them back any. He'll make them a lot better in the regular season, and probably give them a much better chance to win a playoff game than Pennington would have given them, but that's probably about as far as they're capable of going no matter who's playing quarterback. The Packers, on the other hand, are a fish of an entirely different kettle. This Ted Thompson that you hate so much has built a team that most knowledgeable football observers agree is on the cusp of challenging for a title. They're ready to make their move in the postseason, and Favre is not the guy they can count on to lead them there. Rodgers may not be either. We'll find out. But you're better off taking your chances with a guy who may or may not be The Guy than continuing to go down the tubes every year with a guy who's proven he's not The Guy, as I believe Favre has done.
Well, when you consider that Wisconsin ranks 4th in per capita alcohol consumption, and then consider the effect that alcohol has on brain cells, you may gain some insight into why so many of these Favre cultists are unable to formulate any sort of rational argument other than screeching "you're an idiot". Now, granted - I'm saying pretty much the same thing about a lot of them. But at least I'm able to phrase it more subtly, and assemble a logical argument to support the assertion. :smile:
Our #1 DP would be #32 & I would doubt they would be jumping up & down over getting the 32nd player drafted
Favre is a great QB and i am glad to have him, but he is a DRAMA QUEEN! He loves the attention. In this sense (and many others) he is the anti-Chad Pennington. Chad would never ramble on about outside influences. Just like when he left here he basically said, "no hard feelings" and left it at that. Favre, on the other hand yaps like a phycho patient on a couch. Not really my style, or the style of the organization. It is what it is I guess.
Your whole argument is based on the fact that you "know" that Favre cannot get it done in the playoffs anymore. I don't find that position too "logical". He is still the guy who went to 2 SBs, and won one. I suppose you blame the Denver loss on him too, even though we were totally out coached, and the D-line was gassed. Elway lost his first 3 SBs, before winiing 2. He was 37, 38 at the time. He did not single handedly win those, he had a complete team around him, and a dominant running game. Put Favre on such a team, he can do it too. You like to point out the failures, how about the Seattle game, when Grant fumbled twice, and the Packers got down 2 tds?? That was the QB that can't win in the playoffs, doing just that.
Let me be clear - I'm not saying he can't win at all in the playoffs. Obviously, he's had some good playoff games in the last decade, and yes, Seattle was definitely one of those. What I'm saying is that he can't win a championship, because he can't put together at least 3 (and probably 4) consecutive playoff games without melting down. That's a critical distinction. Sure, he's still capable of playing a solid, mistake-free postseason game, and he's shown that. But is he capable of doing that 2, 3, 4 weekends in a row? His playoff record over the last 10 years strongly indicates that he isn't, because he hasn't done it in over a decade. He's not the same quarterback he was in the mid-90s. In one way, he's obviously better, because he's much more experienced and knows the game so very much better than he did when he was younger. But in another way, I think he's regressed, because he was much more coachable back when he was just Brett Favre, not THE Brett Favre. I attribute a lot of the success he had in the mid-90's to the fact that Holmgren was (eventually) able to rein him in and get him to play within the game plan. Rhodes and Sherman were never able to do that, because they were chumps who couldn't command the same level of respect from Favre that Holmgren did. By the same token, I attribute a lot of Favre's success last year to his willingness to listen to McCarthy and play within his system. Favre's problems last year came when he decided to break from McCarthy's game plan and go sandlot - the Dallas game (where he just came out and started launching missiles downfield into coverage when he had receivers open short) is a prime example, and the Chicago game where he got outplayed by... I don't know... I can't even remember which stiff was playing for the Bears that night, Orton or Grossman... was another. I won't even mention the NFCC game again, because we've been over that a million times. The point is, when Favre is on the same page as his coach, he generally does very well. When the pressure's on and he gets it into his head that he has to break from the game plan and win the game all by himself, he self-destructs. This was his biggest flaw when he came into the league, and Holmgren reportedly came very close to giving up and benching him in favor of Brunell several times while he was going through that stage. But Favre's upside was so high Holmy stuck with him, and there was a relatively brief period in the mid-90s where he was a very coachable and successful player. When Holmgren jumped ship, it was 10 years before Favre had another coach he respected enough to listen to, and he doesn't appear to have liked McCarthy very much even if he did respect him. I think by the time McCarthy got here, Favre was pretty much set in his headstrong, gunslinger ways, and I don't think the dog is going to learn any new tricks at this stage of his career. I don't know - maybe I'm wrong. I hope so, because there are few things in the world of sports I'd like to see more than Brett Favre standing in the middle of the field hoisting that trophy over his head one more time. I just don't see any reason any more to believe that's ever going to happen. I've given up the guy. He is what he is, and I think that's what he's going to remain. Oh - and for the record, I totally agree with you about that 2nd Super Bowl. That loss is all on Holmgren. One of the worst games he ever coached. He never even really showed up; just spent the whole game standing on the sidelines checking his watch to see what time the plane left for Seattle. Can't blame Favre for that at all; should have been his second ring.
He wasn't one and done last year. He was one and done exactly three times in 16 years: 1998, 2002, 2004. In 1998 he lost by three points after a blown call on Rice's fourth quarter fumble with five minutes left. So exactly twice in his career the Packers were one and done when he played poorly. That phrase doesn't mean what you think it means.
