i read this on "Whispers from Around the NFL" on Insider: "According to team observers, Lions president Matt Millen has told acquaintances that DE Mario Williams is the kind of player the team wants to build around. Williams, though, is expected to be long gone by the time the Lions pick ninth overall. However, Millen might consider moving up in the draft should Williams drop a few spots." (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=2394900) now, let's say Mario Williams falls to us at #4 (Saints, with Grant and Smith, are definitely not a lock to select him). If Millen is as high on Mario as this implies, would it be a good idea to trade down to #9, while also acquiring extra picks? we'd only move down five spots, still have #29, and another R2 or R3 pick (probably R3) this year. If it's R3, that gives us two R3 picks in the top 10. personally, i would go ahead with this trade because we can still fill our needs with #9, #29 and R2-R3. i think the only way they decide not to accept this trade (if offered) is if they're set on either Brick or a QB; otherwise, it makes sense. i usually don't post purely speculative crap like this, but i wouldn't rule out this scenario. cheers
There's NO WAY we'd move down from 4 to 9 and only get a 3rd round pick. I would turn in my Jets fan status if that happened. If we made the trade, we'd demand their 2nd and 3rd. That, I would consider. Not worth giving up Super Mario for anything less than those two picks, IMO.
I would consider trading the 4th pick for the 9th pick if we also got Detriots 3rd round pick this year and 1st round pick next year.
well i'm not sure exactly what the trade would be, but i thought maybe their 1st and 3rd this year, and then their R2 next year. perhaps they'd throw in their R2 from this year, but i just don't know. the point is, with those extra 2nd and/or 3rd round picks, we could get some serious players who not only could contribute, but also start. it seemingly fits the NE philosophy if that's the route Mangini intends to take. cheers
No, don't trade down. We have enough picks stockpiled already, and we should take the BPA at #4. If we're downgrading our #1 pick and only getting a #3 in return, to me its really not worth it. The percentage of starters picked up in the draft drop drastically from the 2nd to 3rd round. These stats are from the 2002 season. ROUND STARTS AVERAGE 1 243 7.6 2 193 6.0 3 110 3.3 4 69 1.8 5 56 1.5 6 47 1.2 7 41 0.8 http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/6301644
oops, i also forgot to post this: "The Jets aren't fretting over the departure of DE John Abraham, who they believe wasn't a good fit for their team in terms of makeup or attention to detail. Rather than relying on a pass rusher who excels in winning one-on-one battles, head coach Eric Mangini will attempt to generate pressure through matchups and deception. During Mangini's six years in New England, the Patriots' sack leader never had more than 9½ sacks. " to me, this also says that Mario isn't a lock if he's there at #4. unless, of course, Mangini thinks he can create deceptive schemes with Williams. But if he isn't sold on Williams in his system, and if the price is right from Millen, this trade isn't out of the question. is it? cheers
good point. so what if it's their R1+R2 this year, then R2 or R3 next year... would that hook you? cheers
A 3rd rounder is not enough to move down from 4 to 9. Their second rounder is just a hair too much. What does this mean? We'd probably have to give up our 4th to get their 5th in return. However, if they are desperate, it's only a 50 point value and they may go 1st and 2nd rounders for our #4.
I'd consider it, because the cost for the Lions to move up would most likely be their 1st rounder and their second rounder. I'm not sure Millen is secure enough in his position to give up his two top picks for 1 player though. If we were to slide down, I'd be very wary about trading down that far though, because we risk losing Cutler. At #9 we'd most likely be looking at Ngata or Justice. I think #9 is about two spots lower than I'd like to go.
That would obviously be of more value, but I really believe we have enough picks already and should keep all the highest ones we can. It's not very often (hopefully) that you get to pick this high in the draft - let's get a great athlete. That being said, if we did that trade I wouldn't be completely heartbroken.
i was thinking the same thing. but on the flip-side, like GreenGeek said, Millen may not be in any position to deal those R1+R2 picks. it seems like this guy is always on the hot seat, and i doubt this would get him off it. but if we did get their R2 this year, moving down to #9 isn't so bad; there will be plenty of players available who can immensely help us -- Justice, Ngata, and Davis to name a few. then with our next three selections, we'd still get good players. cheers
well, another R1 isn't even an option. i'm just wondering if a R2 is involved, if it would be this year's or next year's. from Detroit: R1,#9 R2,#8 R3,#x ('07) from NYJ: R1,#4 R4,#20 (f/KC, or whatever # that Herm comp. pick is) i'm unfamiliar with that value chart, as i've only seen it once or twice. but if Millen is really sold on Williams, this wouldn't be a bad trade because it gives us: R1,#9 R1,#29 R2,#3 R2,#8 i know, i know...totally speculative...kinda getting ridiculous. but it's not like this is Madden-esque because i think it's plausible. cheers
Trade would only include 2nd round pick Trading down seems like a good idea but we are not going to get more than a second round pick. The draft trading chart shows that the fourth pick in the draft is worth 1800 points the ninth pick is worth 1350 points. The lions second round pick 41 overall is worth 490 points. Refer to the chart on the following website: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8358748
eddawg your right. it is going to be great to see the schemes on defense. i have always thought b.b. is a great game planner and loves to use multiple packages with de and lb's. possibility might be there to trade down and might be an opportunity for mangini to get the players he wants.
