You can't defend your stupid post, so you come back and tell me I'm a kid. Good job. The Favre story is a big distraction to what exactly? We're talking about it on a fan message board. It's something to talk about during the boring off season. I assume you're talking about the 2006 Jets @ Lambeau game, if you're talking about a different game than I am wrong. If that's the game you're talking about, maybe you should contact the NFL and tell them they need to fix the erroneous box score on their site. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29041&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2006&week=REG13
Good research Willie. Don't get mad, and if your an adult I apologise. Distraction? We are debating this don't you think the NY media are debating this and in turn our team? I hope this story goes down the pan soon because I'm a Jet fan and my team are preparing for training camp. My team, the guys who deserve a chance to play in our colours not a guy who has called it a day for another franchise and has been toying with the media for years. it makes me sick and if Greenbay had cut him and we decided to give a chance that would be a different story. The stats don't tell the story of that game by the way and you know it.
The media can debate about it all they want, it's not going to effect how the team prepares and goes through training camp. If they want to sign him, that's another story, but I'm sure that once a deal went down the CS would be 100% focused on accomplishing their TC goals. Obviously the stats don't tell the whole story, they never do. I was just pointing out that you were incorrect in saying (two times) Penny threw 4 first half TD passes. You still haven't answered my question as to what your point is? My guess is that you don't have one and that's why you responded the way you did. To avoid explaining yourself.
My point is I don't want Favre. I think I spelt that out loud and clear. He has won a chamionship with the Pack and is great QB but he isn't Montana, Elway, or some of the other great QB's from this league. His U-turn has hurt a great number of people in Greenbay and he has his own agenda. I also have respect for Chad Pennington who I think can still lead this team but if he doesn't cut it in TC Mangini will see it that way and give the job to Kellen Clemens who is younger and hopefully our future.
^ Obviously you don't want Favre and you're entitled to your opinion. You asked me to address a point you made about that specific game. I didn't and still don't get your point about that specific game. Pennington and the Jets beat an average at best packer team in 2006 - let's party. good day sir.
The issue was that you misinterpreted my post and figured me a Pennington apologist. In the post, I was considering how Mangini may be looking at the situation. Again, I would prefer Clemens to get the job. I don't want Pennington to start games unless it is for a 1 or 2 game stretch due to an injury to the starter.
That was a glorious game - I was there, and also went to the playoff game the following week. It was a great time to be a Jet fan.
Everyone of them started as rookies, not as second year players with a year and a half under their belts. I laugh everytime I see those comparisons. It's comparing apples to oranges. What did those 5 do after a season and a half? Now that's a comparison.
Not everyone. Hasselbeck made his first start in his 4th season. Garrard started one game as a rookie, zero his next season, and two the year after that.
I didn't figure you a Penningtologist, Im sorry if I came across that way. I'm saying what does Mangini have to go off of to think that way. Pennington hasn't proven shit. That's all.
Well, he helped take Mangini's first team to the playoffs and Pennington did not play poorly that year.
He was mediocre though, really Chad rode a weak schedule and a top 10 defense to the playoffs that year.
The point I am making was Pennington, someone who you don't rate, outplayed the pack with what was regarded as a very poor Jet team. He outplayed Favre. That average Packer team you talk about were more or less the same team that went to the NFC championship game last year.
When you say more or less are you talking about personal or the team? The Packers were a young banged up team when we played them in 06. After we played them they were a terrific 4 & 8. Even after finishing the 06 season with 4 straight wins their pass defense ranked 25th in the league in giving up points through the air. In contrast they were 6th in 07. Coincedentally, the Jets pass D was ranked 6th in 06 which was in large part why we won 10 games and ranked 19th in 07 which coupled with the over all bad play of the team had a lot to do with our 4 & 12 season. In 06 when Pennington outplayed Favre, he was facing one of the poorest pass defenses in football and Favre was facing one of the best pass defenses in football. A 6 & 5 team going against a 4 & 7 team isn't exactly the same team. On the other hand if you want to make the arguement that good QB play can lift a team than Favre wipes out Pennington on any basis you want to go by. Pennington has never won more than 10 games in a season with any Jets team. Favre's team has surpassed 10 games 7 times. He also has a winning record in the playoffs something Pennington doesn't. Seriously Pennington's name doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence as Favre even now when there is likely to be fossilized remains of Favre in the end zone of Lambeau.
On top of what WB already said, any given Sunday anyone can beat anyone in the NFL. I can go back and find a bunch of shitty QB's that beat Favre and the Packers, it doesn't mean they're as good or better than Favre. I already pointed out Rex Grossman and J.P. Losman from that same season. I can probably find a bunch of shitty QB's that beat Joe Montana and the 49'rs too. Your point is not a good one.
I hate to say it but I really would not mind Brett Favre in Jets uniform next season. Rebuild o-line, some better targets, and a strong armed winning QB the helm? Yeah I'll take that.
Clemens is the best option for our team going forward. IF the team has any intention of letting Chad Start they might as trade for Farve because they are playing to win it all so you might as well go for the gusto instead of wasting another season. At least it will be fun with Farve at the helm.
What's frustrating is that we appear to have the makings (possibly... don't want to jinx it though) of a playoff team (on paper at least). Very rarely in Jets history have we been able to put together, on the Offensive side of the ball, the makings of a good O-line, a pretty good WR corps, good RBs and some good TEs. Defensively, we should have a good D-line, a decent pass rush and what appears to be a superb defensive secondary. Our special teams is still okay too. The one missing ingredient now is the QB, and that's something you just don't fix in one or even two years, unless an established, terrific QB falls in our lap. And you know that ain't happening. If the guy is worth his salt, there's no way the other team will let him go. All our eggs are in one basket for now and for the forseeable future, and that's Kellen Clemens.
