Just wanted to comment on the statement about that pick out of the endzone. First off, hard to not throw a pick out of your own endzone when your being blind sided as your about to let the ball fly. Kellen did not even see him coming, not to mention being slammed in to the ground. Go back and look at that play if you can and run it in slow motion if will turn your stomach. It was amazing the kid could even get up after that hit much less play the following week. If Chad had taken such a hit it might have ended his carreer. If it was us hitting Brady boy like that, fines and games off would have been in the offering by the NFL. So, as awful as that play was, it answered the question of just how tough this kid really is. I personally think there is more going on here with this whole QB deal, then the fans or the media know about. I don't see the Jets paying a backup QB 7 million for the one season of work. They must also know that Chad is not the long term answer under center for the New York Jets. I also think that the F/O and C/S know very well that they are at the very least 2 years and one or two players away from making a real run at the prize. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling we will be in for a few surprises before the regular season begins. An players that are now starters for the NYJets will be playing for other teams when the season begins
You might be right, If Chad didn't earn the pine for his pitiful performance and lack of skill than they must have though Clemens wasn't close to being ready. Scary if true but it also could be a lack of balls by Mangini and Tanny however they seemed more comfortable with Brad Smith in big situations behind center than either Chad or Kellen which seems to fit into your opinion that Chad blew chunks and they just thought Kellen blew bigger chunks.
Winstonbiggs, when, on a scale of 10, your OL is a 2, and your D is a 3.5, who gives a damn whether your QB is a 1, a 2, or a 3, or a 4? Until you get the OL up there around 6 or 8, and after you get the D up there at the 7 or 9, then you can worry about the niceties of your skill players. I mean, they were a mess, big time. When 70% to 80% of your team can't even compete in the Kiddie League, why should you care about the other 20% to 30%? It's time-consuming, it's frustrating, it's as expensive as you can imagine, and it's rarely a straight line, but the CS and the FO have to fix what's broken most badly first. Then they can worry about what's broken next most badly later. Fantasy Football doesn't do any favors for the real thing when the only thing it promises is instant gratification (read that as a "candy pacifier") and winds up fomenting rampant enraged impatience.
You keep bringing up fantasy football? I look forward to the games but I never have had a fantasy about football. My wife had the hots for Burt Jones awhile back but that's about as close to fantasy football as I get. Building a SB team is a process and if you have lots of broken pieces fixing some of them simple isn't good enough. Developing a good to great QB takes a lot longer than plugging in a guard or RT although building cohession on the OL also takes time. If you have a shitty starting QB which we do there is no amount of patchwork on the lines that will make us a SB contender.
The issue with a lot of folks on this "message board" is whether the cart goes first before the horse, or the horse goes first before the cart. If you take a look at the way the Pats got built out of mediocrity, it was the OL and the defense that showed up before we let Brady in the door around Bledsoe. If you take another look at the way the Giants got built back to the SB, the line came together and made a super running back out of Tiki Barber (who was pretty much a failing scat back before the OL and he reinvented his career as a big strider who learned how to "cue ball" his way through the defense) and then the defense began to shut down other guys' offenses. After a long and difficult birthing period, Eli finally showed up at the end of last season. But a pretty damned good line and pretty damned good defense had to wait him out a long time. I talk about Madden and Fantasy Football since there has to be something around that is addling the brains of all these football fans that suddenly begin thinking resumes are saviors and you can just quickly plug anybody into a slot and there you go.
I scrolled the first two pages here for mention of our qb situation and all I got was Clemens completes a long pass in college. Whoopdy Doo! This is THE elephant in the room regarding our team. No one knows anything about anything regarding the field general of this team. All of these other positions we upgraded will be for naught if the team doesn't develop chemistry with the supposed leader...offense especially, but defenses will dog it if the offense can't score points.
Most of us got tired of this discussion around February or March and there isn't going to be any solution for a couple more months, so thankfully it died down. Still, hardly an elephant in the room.
I love this argument that fans who are not Chad Fans hate him more than they love the team. I don't see it that way. I want him gone because he sucks. And his pure suckiness is hurting the team. Seems to me those who continue to support him are the ones with questionable loyalty to to the team.
The Patroits weren't the Patriots until Tom Brady was inserted into the lineup. That was probably the worst possible example for the retarded point you continuously try to pound into everyone's head. I don't know what football league you watch on Sundays but the starting QB generally makes a tremendous difference in whether games are won or lost. Go look at the list of QB's who won the last 40 superbowls. Look at the teams who were consistent superbowl contenders and who their QB's were. I think the majority of the posters on here understand the concept that it's a team sport. OBVIOUSLY if the o-line sucks the offense will suck. OBVIOUSLY if the defense sucks it's going to be hard to win games. You act like we're all a bunch of fools who have no understanding for the game and you're the only one who "gets it". I really think you need to take a closer look at how important QB's are to this game and re-evaluate your position.
The Giants traded away two drafts for a QB to rebuild the team around and than rebuilt the team around him.
This is correct, however I think if Clemens doesn't work out we'll have a house-cleaning on the management side very quickly due to the enormous outlay of cash that Woody made this year. The new management could be as bad as what we have become accustomed too or they might actually be good, in which case who knows where we are in 3 or 4 years. Realistically the Jets have not had a good long-term plan in place since the early 80's. Even then they didn't have a great plan, just a good one. Parcells was focussed on winning a Super Bowl fast before Hess died and he abandoned ship very quickly when his quick-fix plan was destroyed by the Vinny injury.
I can see that happening. My only other angle is that with the spending on the Free Agents, the team is in place for a young QB to come in and grow.. enter Kellen Clemens. If he tanks this season and the team wins 5,6 games, I can see the blue chip QB being taken in the draft and he would have a good surrounding cast to work with. The question is - does Woody Johnson have enough confidence in this young FO/CS to stay in power and raise the new QB? That position is the last piece of the puzzle.
Dear Whiteshoewillie, So you think that Eli Manning beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl this year? Was it one quarterback better than the other? Because Tom Brady didn't win the MVP the Patriots lost, and because Eli Manning did win the MVP the Giants won? That wasn't Eli smacking Brother Tom down 23 times. The difference in this Super Bowl wasn't quite the quarterback.
I love reading your posts, because you are so oblivious to reality. Tom Brady has made a career of clutch play and excellent decision making based on the information provided to him and how the play develops. In the Giants-Pats Super Bowl, Brady made a lot of questionable decisions, while Eli Manning made the safe, efficient plays of a QB that can get you to the Super Bowl and win. Both have excellent arms and both were thinking quickly while being harrassed by the opposing defense, but if you are going to say that the QB play wasn't a giant factor in why the Giants won out, then you are as confused as a baby raccoon... ...which I guess goes without saying at this point. Now go ahead and 'quote' one single sentence from my post and make your nonsense argument against me.
Actually, Abyzmul, I think both QBs played well. But the last two plays by Tom Brady were bested by the NYG's defensive backs. In most Patriots' games last year, Tom Brady would probably have completed one or both of those two pass plays. He was right on the money with both throws. But the New York Giants defense knocked down both those balls. They outplayed Tom Brady and his world's greatest offense -- in much the same fashion, by the way, as the NYJs did in holding him to not a single touchdown pass in their second game of '07 as well.
No. a) I'm not as ignorant about football as you'd like to believe most of the posters on the board are, but actually aren't. b) I never said anything like that or anything that even implied that. You're trying to put stupid words into my mouth because you have no meat in your argument. Both QB's made big plays in the game to put their team in a position to win. OBVIOUSLY there was much more to the game than the 2 QB's. a) see A above. b) see B above. Thank god we have you here to educate us on the details we cannot seem to understand. Both QB's made big plays in the game to put their team in a position to win. OBVIOUSLY there was much more to the game than the 2 QB's.
