Robertson, Vilma two big reasons why Jets? switch to 3-4 scheme may take time We hear that while head coach Eric Mangini?s goal is to steer the Jets? defense toward a 3-4 scheme, it will likely have to be a gradual adjustment due to the fact that the Jets simply don?t have the proper personnel to fit a true 3-4 alignment at this time. Two interesting cases are 2003 first-round pick DT Dewayne Robertson and ?04 first-round pick LB Jonathan Vilma, the cornerstones of the team?s defense. While 3-4 nose tackles are required to control two gaps and hold up blockers at the line of scrimmage, Robertson is more of a one-gap, upfield guy who likes to pressure the quarterback. When asked to man two gaps as a rookie, he really struggled. Vilma?s speed and intelligence make him special, but he lacks the size of a prototypical 3-4 inside ?backer who is expected to fill gaps and take on 300-pound guards. Look for Mangini to design a defense that maximizes Robertson?s and Vilma?s skills and doesn?t ask them to regularly fill traditional 3-4 roles, which means the Jets could employ more 4-3 looks. Expect Mangini to continue collecting more big bodies for the front seven through the draft and free agency. http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/default.htm?mode=afceast
Good points. But that would be based on the assumption that Vilma and Robertson stay at NT and ILB. Vilma would probably be best suited outside, and Hobson inside. Robertson struggled as a rookie (like most rookies), but that's player development. He has the speed and the quickness to occupy two blockers and it will be interesting to see how effective our inside blitzing will be. However, the LAST thing i would expect from our current coaching staff are "prototypcial" roles for our players. "Prototypical" is another way of saying "predictable". So i definitely agree with you that Mangini will design a non-prototypical defense. I would suspect that in our 43 look, we have two massive DT's and two speed rushers on the end. That being said, it looks like Mario will be our #4 pick. Because he can play DE and OLB. So i would expect for Hobson and Barton to move inside and Vilma and Mario to be outside. In the 43, Vilma stays in the middle, we have two massive DT's (exit Robertson), Mario on the end, Thomas on the end, Ellis gets a rest, and Victor and Barton back on the outside. So if i had to guess: Mario at #4, Mangold at #29, and then we draft an OT with our 3rd pick. If Ramsey AND Chad don't work out AND our much lower drafted QB, then we'll pick up a QB next year. I just can't see us trading (key word) for Ramsey JUST for depth.
I think Mario can play DT and DE, not DE and OLB. Just my guess. True, DRob and Vilma don't look like typical 3-4 players, but the Patriots were very high on both players during the draft, so they must have seen something that they could work with.
Mario CANNOT play DT... NTs in teh 3-4 have to be well north of 300 lbs, Mario is 285. Why would you waste that 6'7", 4.6 40 speed at NT. He will play DE/OLB in the NFL
If we draft or "aquire" a true nose tackle I would love to see Robertson and Vilma play side by side in the middle. Absolutely NO ONE runs on us between the hash marks. Vilma and a bowling ball with knives as an ILB's could really kill ppl.
vilma will find a spot in the 3-4, more likely outside than inside, but the pats were interested in him back when he was in the draft, he can play in the 3-4, just probably outside, he's smart and gifted enough to be moved around, basically they'll line set him up so he's in the best position for him to make plays, writing articles and coaching are two completely different things..though drob will be an interesting case to see what happens
Vilma will be fine im willing to bet on it..if we get that big NT vilma will have his best season every.. im pretty sure mangini wont put his best player in a position to fail.
In 3-4...you need mammoth DL's. SD has 3 of em in Jamal Williams at DT and Olshansky and Castillo at the end. You're gonna need some bull rush LB's on the outside like Merriman and Foley in SD. I don't know if Vilma solely plays ILB but he's going to need some help. Mario Williams would be an excellent pick at #4 but how can you pass up Ferguson???? Ngata and Watson are also good picks for DT in the first.
Vilma will stay inside. He needs OLB help. His job really is to stop the run and cover the intermediate zone coverages. That's where he's effective. OLB you need a Mario Williams.
mario williams will never play OLB he will be a DE whether he's on a 4-3 team or a 3-4 team, he can't play any other position in nfl OLB/rush backer im sure the team is looking at lawson, wimbley, among a few others
Vilma isn't going to play outside, he's too small. He will play the weakside inside linebacker role which is primarily a position which covers and runs free on blitzes. Hobson will play next to him, with Thomas and Barton outside rushing. Thomas is way too small and doesn't get the initial burst off the line to play 3-4 defensive end.
San Diego runs a 3-4. Donnie Edwards plays ILB in that 3-4. Donnie Edwards is 6-2 228. Jonathan Vilma is about the same size as Edwards is. Therefore.... He just needs a bigger ILB alongside him.
There you go! The 3-4 is awesome, Dude! I was skeptical at first but with the right pieces in place: WOW! Even Payton Manning nor Tom Brady could figure out where the pressure was coming from last year! Beef up the line...get your pass rushing LB (AJ Hawk!!!) or ILB (Chad Greenway - alongside J Vilma) you're set!
or ahmad brooks in the supplemental we all know he is big as hell know. but he normally plays about 6'3 260+ and he s fast
Greenway is to weak. He really needs to hit the gym. Hawk isn't really a big pass rusher. He can do that, but it's not his primary attribute. The rush backer is almost always an OLB, thus someone like Lawson (or wimbley, etc) would be the fit there.
robertson is going to get traded becuase he is to small and his knees are wearing out also vilma and hobson are fine inside together hobson would be the blocker for vlma to do what he does best
