When you say 'wait and see', do you mean calling the Jets draft losers less than a week after it is over? Follow-up question: Do you consider the Jets draft losers for last year's draft?
Actually,thats an interesting question. My short answear would be no, despite having really only 2 contributers throughout the season. Whilst a team could not withstand that policy of drafting up to target specific needs in favour of quantity, I think when really needed it works well. As was the case with Revis and Harris. The argument this year, could be wheather or not it would have warrented going for C Long. After this season we will find out. If we had drafted another need instead of a TE, like MILB, QB, WR or CB I would have been alot happier. Gholston at the moment is the lone highlight in the draft for me, and I didn't really want him either, but hes here and hes head and shoulders above the other draftees.
I didn't mention failure or losers anywhere that I can see. I said let's see if he is what people seem to think he is. However, the fact they didn't get Long or McFadden who were the only two people they wanted with that first pick can be seen as losing. How could you even think last year's draft was a failure? They got two starters that had solid years. If they get that this year I'll be happy. (Both starting AND solid years)
One play in question (at least from the championship game) which shows Gholston "dogging it" can be seen in this video. Approximately the 2:44 mark. [youtube]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vvjpNgNnXUI[/youtube] The receiver appeared to be wrapped up by 2 OSU players so Gholston slowed down, only for the receiver to break the tackle and score the TD. I guess you could look at that and say Gholston didn't try hard enough. I dunno. However, I would like to counter that with this video, which shows that he got pressure on Flynn several times throughout the game. He may not have lit up the stat sheet, but it certainly looks like he played well. [youtube]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FJAOY9iLsno[/youtube]
The so called "conflict" you are referring to appears quite similar in nature to the one that is occurring between sound logic and the point you're trying to make.
I'm sorry...they only wanted two players? You know this? You must have some sick sources... ...or you completely made that up.
There's no point in arguing about whether Gholston did or did not dog it on some plays at OSU. He's here now and it'll become apparent fairly quickly what his motivations are. If he actually had contain reponsibilities in the flats on some plays then staying there as the play went the otherway was the right thing to do. Nothing like having a reverse or a flip-screen the other way go for 40 yards because you were keying on the ball instead of maintaining your responsibility.
Don, how do you know this? Because the draft gods told you? And what did the draft gods tell you last season, which is my point? http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=534243&postcount=28 I would never take your word for it.
The Jets with the 6th pick had to know that there was not a good chance they would get one of only 2 picks they "targeted." Plus, if you read recent reports, Mangini had his heart set on Gholston the minute he saw him on tape. Add in that the Jets desperately needed a pass rusher and you have what appears to be a happy Jet CS. Throw in that the McFadden thing was likely a smokescreen because the Jets just didn't need him. In fact, I don't think the Jets would have picked McFadden at 6 if the other top 5 players were gone. It made no sense for the Jets to take him. I think you would have seen the Jets trade down like the Pats did with Saints. McFadden, IMO, is the most likely bust in the top 6 and Gholston has an incredibly high ceiling. This is the second time in three years that some Jet fans are lamenting that the Jets didn't have a higher pick to pick some skill player that the FANS wanted. So, how are the Bush and Young picks looking right now? Should the Jets have traded 2-3 other picks to move up to take a RB that is and always will be a part-time back who can't run inside the tackles (Bush) or a QB who can run but can't pass???
If Gholston was some overweight slob who relies solely on God given talent I would be worried about the concerns about him taking plays off. However, you don't get the body of a Greek God like he has without putting in some serious time and work. He's obviously intense in his work off the field. Any lack of intensity on the field can be fixed simply by having the coaching staff demand him to be. When someone is lazy off the field they are screwed. Unless they have a coach follow them around all year long that probably isn't going to change, where as a simple scream or threat of benching is usually enough to get someone going on the field. The more and more I see of Gholston the more I like him.
(Br4dw4y5ux, spot on :up That for me was why I was so dissapointed. I really liked Chris Long the most out of the top bunch and knew heart of hearts that unless we traded up had no chance to land him. On the flip side I also liked players further down the chart like Sedrick Ellis, McKelvin, Albert, Cherilus and Hardy. Had we had anyone to trade with for multiple picks that would have been great. But we took BPA, which filled a great need. Up to that point I was happy, but then we took Keller, even he was surprised we took him. I'm intrigued to see how we use him and hope this isn't a wasted pick. Thus far, this regime hasn't screwed up much at all, but they must know that all eyes are on them this upcoming season, thats where the real boom or bust is going to be.
Because they didn't get the players on the very top of the list, but settled for the BPA at #6, they are losers? What if NE had Long, DMC, and Gholston on their big board? Then they are huge losers for not only trading down, but taking Mayo at #10.... The Giants must have been the biggest losers of all, considering they were picking 31st, losing out on all that talent taken in front of them... the logic is flawed.
That, for me, is the key. They know after last season that they can't take huge risks unless they feel great about the reward. I don't see them making that move in this draft unless they're certain that Keller's going to make a huge contribution for this team. Overall, great post. I was hoping for a different situation on draft day, but was quite happy with the way things turned out after taking a closer look.
My concern is that they took Keller because they wanted to bring in another receiver and not piss off Coles (and to a lesser extent Cotchery), so they took one labelled "TE". On the other hand, it will be fun if the OL can block and we have Coles, Washington, Cotchery and Keller all out there at the same time.
That makes no sense - if a franchise made moves like that all the time they'd be 4-12 every season. Coles has his money anyway, why would he care who they brought in? Coles is not that greedy.
It's not a major concern, just something that occurred to me. If I'm honest, I don't think it's a factor.
