Let's not lose sight of the facts

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by GSourJr, Mar 27, 2008.

  1. Herman Edwards

    Herman Edwards New Member

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    wha? how bout #52??? he's a frickin beast
     
  2. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Cowboys have repeatedly said they will not trade their two first round picks to move up. Maybe they are lying, I don't think so. Maybe they will trade one of them and next years 1st but that wouldn't give us 3 this year anyway. Atlanta has a lot of 2nds but it would cost them most of them to move up and they already have the #3 so why should they. Nobody else has enough.
     
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  3. Beamen

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    We don't have any better way to measure pass rush in hard numbers, so I don't get your point? We didn't have a good pass rush last year. In fact, I don't even think we were as good as the sack total indicates. So again, what's your point?

    Why do we need more in depth analysis when the facts are staring us right in the face? We don't have anyone who is even above average at rushing the passer- why tell people information they already know?

    And if you think a big NT is going to have the same domino-effect on the pass-rush that he will in the running game, you're not paying any attention. Robertson demanded a double team in passing situations. The OL is moving BACKWARDS in passing situations. Size isn't a huge factor in the interior line as that idea of getting blown off the ball goes away completely.

    In fact, Robertson's speed probably made him MORE likely to demand a double team in passing situations than Jenkins. Again, the addition of Jenkins is NOT going to add much, if anything, to our pass rush- I don't care how you try to twist it.
     
  4. JetsLookingforDWare

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    1. That last year is last year.

    2. Our D already looks very different from the one we had last year. We actually have some size in the front 7.

    3. It seems like you're trying to make it sound like I was saying our pass rush was better than it was in sacks last year. I was going more for our pass should improve and while I don't expect a huge jump in sack numbers, this defense is getting the personnel together to be a pretty good true 3-4. We should definitely get more pressure.

    Why call you opinion fact?

    Again, your opinion /= fact. I think Thomas, Pace, Rhodes, Harris, Ellis, and even Jenkins/DRob all are or have the potential to be above average pass rushers. Thats my opinion. Obviously it can be argued either way because none of them are big named stars, but that doesn't mean they're bad players.

    Uh huh. I'm sure Wilfork, Hampton, Williams, and Gregg have no affect on their teams pass rush. Eating up two linemen shouldn't do anything to help out the LBers.
    Yea, for about half a second.

    For about half a second.

    Pouha looked much better as a 3-4 NT than DRob did. DRob played well at the nose sometimes, but Thomas played OLB well sometimes and he still "sucks" right?

    Seriously? On a 3-4 DL? Is that why the Pats have 940 pounds on their D-line? Or why the Chargers have 955 or so?

    This is why this is you make posts as opinion and not fact. And please don't tell me I treat my posts like fact, because if you said something I agreed with I'd openly admit it...I've done it before here, I think.

    Jenkins is bigger, stronger, and has played against double teams more or all of his career and produced. DRob was incredibly inconsistent at handling double teams, and more times than not he couldn't even anchor against a double team like you hope a NT would.

    And I'm not twisting anything dude. I'm just completely disagreeing on everything you're saying here.

    *Edit* If it does sound like twisting, well that sucks. Footballs a very twisty kind of sport.
     
  5. thegoldengod

    thegoldengod Active Member

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    jenkins improves the pass rush by stopping the run...if we force 3rd and long situations then it probably wont even be necessary for him to be in the game
    the guy is massive...he can only play so many downs
    it wouldnt surprise me on 3rd and long if mosely or a DE is in at the "NT" position to give more pass rush
    so it may not be "jenkins" giving the pass rush, but we are improving the pass rush by getting the passing situations
     
  6. johnnysd

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    Elam played quite well as safety and was a geat compliment for Rhodes. Outside of that one very boneheaded play that got him benched temporarily for Coleman, Elam was a big part of the Jets defensive resurgence in the second half. Why a lot of Jets fans want to hate on him because he was an UDFA is beyond me. He is a very good player, and made a noticeable positive impact on our defense.
     
  7. LWC611

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    That is not comforting. Our pass rush last year was non-existent. We need significant improvement in that area.
     
  8. Herman Edwards

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    nice post bro, i like elam as well. who wouldn't want a hard hitting db on their defense? all we need is a solid corner to pair with revis and our starting secondary is set:

    revis
    new corner (trade down and take mckelvin maybe?)
    rhodes
    elam
     
  9. notjustQBs

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    Don't be so quick to throw Justin Miller under the bus.

    The guy was doing just fine in his second season as a CB before he got that knee injured last year.

    Let's see what he can do.

    Having said that, however, it is draft time, and if we don't have access to Gholston (or maybe McFumble -- I've turned from really negative to just ambivalent), then the next best is going to be a QB -- whether the CS thinks it's Cromartie or McKelvin is up to them.
     

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