i posted something like this on page 29 of some obscure thread but i can't remember where. i apologized to anyone who answered the original post. for a different discussion on the draft, what player would you LEAST like to see ne take? For the sake of this thread, assume ALL the big names are on the board at the 6th spot (long, long, mcfadden, gholsten, all of them). with NE picking right after us, what player would you LEAST like to see ne take? and how much should this affect who we draft? for example, if we grade mcfadden 51 and gholsten 49, then we take mcfadden, right? but what if we know ne COVETS gholsten and he would DESTROY us two games a year? do we switch to the 'lower score' gholsten? what if the score is mcfadden 60, gholsten 40 with the same senario as above? do we still switch? point is, how much consideration should tanny give the 'ne factor' when deciding who to draft?
If the pats got Chris Long I think I would die a little inside, good thing that ain't happening.....unless they trade up.....crap
none, if you think mcfadden is the better player or vice versa, you take whoever is better on your board, if the other person would DESTROY us 2 times a year, i think he would be the player and would be higher on our board. THERE IS NO NE FACTOR, end of story.
I don't think the Jets brass should think too deeply into the 2 game they play against the Pats - they have 14 other games to play during the season after all, right? From that standpoint, taking the best player available is much sensible choice than making a "panic" pick based purely on fear factor.
Regarding your question I guess Gholston (since they don't need Dorsey or Ellis) a couple of others would be J. Long and Ryan Clady. If they had a better OL they would have easily won the SB. Imagine how scary Brady would be if he got even more time. Another way you could look at it is who do we draft to match up better with the Pats. From that perspective we need to consider not only LB or DE but maybe even more important a shutdown cornerback to match up with Moss/Welker.
Why would we select someone because New England wants him? Are we making FO decisions based on fear of what another team will do in any other aspects? It doesn't make sense. We need to pick the player that we feel is the best fit for our team, regardless of what HOFer the Pats will luck out with in any of their picks.
im not saying we draft someone only because ne wants them, i'm saying if two players have almost equal value to the jets, and the if the player with SLIGHTLY less value to us would be a HUGE help to ne, do we take that into consideration? remember, to win the afce, we have to win more games the ne, so hurting them directly helps us. how can you say the FO never considers the positive impact of available players on our afce rivals, and the impact those players would have against the jets? if we pick mcfadden and go 12-4, but ne then takes gholsten and goes undefeated for the next 3 years, did we sucseed? but if WE take gholsten and go 11-5 and ne is forced to take someone else and they goes 10-6, then we won one less game but won the afce. i bet 50% of the FO draft talk has to do with EXACTLY this, so lets chew on it just to expand the various topics.
I think Jets fans at April's draft should all sound air horns in the direction of the Patriots table after we get Gholston.
im just not sure how much better thier line could be, they protected him VERY well all year until the superbowl.
how about we trade our entire draft with kellen clemens and pennigtion to the colts for peyton manning
Umm, are you talking about this years draft or the next 10 drafts to come??? They wont do that for even Wayne....good idea though.
if i had to pick somebody, i'd say gholston. i subscribe to the "defense wins championships", theory, so with the potential he has i'd hate to see him killing our QB for the next 5 or so years.
Ill bet that taking a guy that the pats want does not go through thier head at all. Seriously, the idea of the draft is to make your team better, not to make your team less better so another team gets less better. Take the guy thats highest on your board END OF STORY.
2 scenarios. take your pick: -scenario 1- jets take mcfadden, their highest rated player. the jets go 12-4. sweet! but....ne takes gholsten, their highest rated player, and go 14-2. ne wins the afce and elimates the jets in round one of the playoffs (in overtime on an endzone sack of chad by gholsten). ne goes on to win the superbowl, with gholsten named the mvp. ne wins 3 consecutive superbowls, with an 18-0 record against afce opponents. -or scenario 2- jets pass on mcfadden, thier highest rated player, and instead take gholsten, their 2nd highest rated player. the jets go 11-5 (winning one less game than if they had drafted mcfadden, their top rated player). but.... with gholsten now with the jets, ne is forced to settle for a db and finishes the season 10-6, losing the afce to the jets, and missing the playoffs in a tie breaker to the fish. randy moss punches out tom brady on the sidelines. bob kraft has seen enough and sells the pats to a group headed up by curtis 'no knees' martin. martin fires belicheat and replaces him with bill parcells, who replaces brady with vinny testaverde. in 2010, the jets trade 750 pound nose tackle 'jenkins' to the raiders for a running back named mcfadden.
First of all, Wouldnt ne take mcfadden at 7 Second of all, If the raiders trade us mcfadden, wouldnt he have went before us anyway making this all a moot point.
forget this player or that player. my only point is that if several players have similar grades in terms of helping the jets, then the jets would probably take the player that would benefit that pats the most. if mcfadden would help our offense exactly as much as gholsten would help our defense, then it's a toss up right? BUT! if we know that ne covets gholsten and with him ne would go undfeated, then this information MAY influence who we grab. ya think? that's all im saying. so since we got nothing else to talk about for a few weeks, lets have a few intelligent diuscussions that include the pats, who draft right after us, and how ne team needs and draft board may (or may not) affect who we ultimatly decide on. otherwise, we can just start a few more drob, chad, and coles threads. uuug.