Because Chad was coming off of a 10-6 playoff season and was named the starting QB in February which he earned. Throw in a comeback player of the year award to boot. Last year there was not an open competition announced, which is NOT the case this year. Mangini could not go back on his word last preseason or would have lost the team and would be portrayed as an untrustworthy waffler. This year he wised up and did not announce a starter but rather said that it would be an open competition. The QB's are like stocks, let the market or the playing field determine who provides the best investment to start. No preconceived notions. You cant compare last year to this year 10 - 6 vs 4 -12
Mark this down as a first. I actually Agree with a Chad Pennington supporter regarding their facts. Your right Chad was named the starter but he should have been on a short four game leash! Chad has proven over the last six years that he is an investment that tops out in the first round of the playoffs at best! It is time to invest in Clemens so the franchise can start working on their long term gains. A smart investor would have sold Chad short before last season started![/QUOTE]
If Clemens cannot beat out Chad in training camp going into his 3rd year with around 10 full games under his belt then you cannot make the invest in the future argument and start Clemens regardless of him underperforming Chad. Until he is the best man for the job he rides the bench. Why is that so hard to understand. If he is the second coming he should have no problem dismantling Chad in pre-season...right?
You are presumably talking about the pre-season games last summer? Taking it that I am right about that, please note that when Pennington was in, he was instructed to manage several line experiments. For example, the first game he played in, he handed the ball off play after play for the first few series. Later the CS explained that there were a number of things they were trying out with the OL. Conversely, when Kellen was in during the pre-season, his job was to "go for broke". Another important thing to remember about the off season, is that the pre-season games are always plain vanilla offense and defense for the most part, and they represent about 20% of the overall body of work that the team undergoes during the off-season. Of course, this mysterious 80% of the overall off-season body of work that the team undergoes is largely under wraps -- so neither you nor I nor the media get a peek. Taking all this into account, it's fair to say that as fans we have no idea who did better or worse in the off-season last year.
Well said- preseason games are just a miniscule part of the overall evaluation of a QB. What the staff sees during camp is far more important because that's when the real playcalling is tested. You have 15 minutes of a pre-season game vs. a month of training camp- what's more important?
If that is the case then we really shouldn't think to much of our staff. Chads non ability to throw a ten yard out did not mysteriously start to happen once the regular season started. Maybe having our Qb's play in controlled setting actually hurt us because it masked his shortcomings that came to pass during his 1-8 season as our starting Qb this year.
When the QB doesn't have the time to set his feet and throw, bad things happen. Check out Kellen when Seymour got to him before he got to his drop in the second play of the 2nd Pats game. A lot of these rash judgments of our skill players have been rushed into out of frustration with how badly the OL regularly let them down last year. I think that you have to take into account that neither Chad nor Kellen was given much of a chance last year. If you are not willing to look at the whole because the foolish play-by-play man is slavishly following the ball itself, then you won't ever catch up to what is going on. And you won't have any idea about how to fix it. Unfortunately, you will just have to go on and get neurotic like our good friend from the CT school of broadcasting, Mr. Joe Bigningo, jumping on the skill players and never even learning the names of the guys in the trenches who are actually doing the dirty deeds. Pay attention to what went wrong, not who to pile on. Then we can get about fixing it instead of just wringing our hands and gnashing our teeth all the time. The CS and the FO of the NYJ are going about their business rather well this year so far, in my opinion. Now if we can just get another good vicious LB and a fast CB ball hawk, and maybe two or three more OL to train and nurture. The draft could actually be a lot of fun.
absolutely right.or even henne who's gonna be a nice pro.but i can't see taking a flacco in the 2nd when we can fill a bigger need there like wr
i cannot understand your rational with this post. pennington, not a team guy? your out of your mind! he is the poster child for a team player.he's never had a good offensive line protecting him. your way off base, in my opinion
Never had a good offensive line protecting him????????????????????????????????// And Curtis Martin got almost 1700 yards how? Chad got hurt on his own.
He's had good OL... last year was the first time he's played behind a crappy OL, excepting the 2004 year with all the injuries. When he plays behind a solid OL and has a solid running game to compliment him he does very well. I am hopeful it will show again this year when they get this new team assembled.
Maybe cuz Kellen played against second teams and not the regular starters that CP faced??? Make any sense to you sir?
Let's wait and see what happens in August. There might be trades/drafts in the meantime. March is NOT the time for the Clemens/Penny debate. It was hard to judge either QB last year with the poor OL. If you give a QB a second more time, lots of things can develop.
Chad the Bad? Okay... Here's my take on it. Although I doubt that anyone on this board will pay any notice to what I think. I am in no way a Chad Pennington supporter. I'd prefer that the team dump him. On the other hand, he was a very good QB way back when. This is why (I hope) that Mangini supported him so strongly. And his injuries, which are a big reason why he's failed recently, might be a reason why he could be a surprise sensation next year! On the other hand, his constant injuries are a reason to release the guy. If I am the Jets, I keep Chad as insurance, hope that Kellen improves... But for damn sure I would draft a good QB or trade for someone who can lead the team. For all the $$$ the Jets have invested in the off-season, we still don't have a proven QB (besides Chad, who is injury-prone)... Am I just another idiot fan? Or is the Jets "braintrust" even stupider than me?
I have been paying attention to Cornerbacks jumping his routes for the past six years when he has ten seconds to throw. His arm has nothing to do with protection. He can't make that throw with or without protections. Makes no diff what the front office does. WHEN and IF Chad has to throw in a playoff we will lose. PERIOD! We can have the best line in the league but at some point the man under center has to step up to get to the big dance.
I am very happy with the CS evaluating this open competition for starting QB this year. They may actually draft a QB (Draft Tek seems to think that Andre Wolfson is on our 4th round radar) this year. All of this plays second fiddle to the real issue for the NYJ this year: the OL and the DL reaching real dominance against ANYBODY in the NFL. With regard to the differences between Chad and Kellen -- they both have different disadvantages that slow down their passing and require that they both need more time to excell. As far as Chad is concerned, his physical delivery process just takes more time to get set and overhand the ball where he wants it to go. His accuracy is the biggest dividend of his physical process. Chad also is very creative and very smart about reading defenses and suddenly taking advantage of any discovery he makes. There may never be anybody as good at running this offense strategy as Chad is right now. It is also true that Chad needs the extra time from the OL to play fake, set his feet, and overhand the ball. As far as Kellen is concerned, his physical delivery process is fast and fluid. However, his mental process is still much slower and less creative than it needs to be. There are many opportunities that can be discovered by the QB is BS offensive strategy that Kellen is just beginning to fathom, with the help of the master practitioner, Chad. So Kellen really needs that vital extra time to play fake, read the defense, and figure out what he wants to do, then set his feet and follow through. If either of these QBs doesn't have enough time they can easily throw INTs, get sacked, or miss their marks. If either of these QBs has enough time, Chad for his physical process, and Kellen for his mental process, each of them can throw anywhere accurately and be successful. I believe that in the long run, Kellen will mature and reduce the amount of time he requires mentally to get the job done. Because he has the excellent mentoring from Chad, his creativity will rise and ultimately Kellen will have both a faster physical release than Chad and an equal mental / creative process to Chad. Kellen has the potential to be a better QB than Chad because of Chad's mentoring and Kellen's physical advantages. I think they both need a successful running game, and damned good pass blocking to be successful -- but they also need each other -- Chad to be pushed, and Kellen to progress -- in order to realize their full potential. For the NYJ, the open competition between Chad, Kellen, and Tui, and even a drafted rookie QB (but Andre Wolfson???) is the best of all possible worlds for this important game management role.
Good stuff. The other factor is the red zone, we couldn't run the ball and didn't have a dominant pass catcher down close. We moved the ball well a lot of times but rarely turned it into TDs because we failed in the red zone. Beefing up the OL and adding a quality FB should help that, so we don't have the parade of FGs we had with both guys last season. It would also cut down on red zone turnovers--until last year Chad never threw a red zone pick in his career, or maybe one.
I pretty much agree with your evaluation. The question is do we need a Qb that can manage a game or one that can win a game at this point. Managing a game to me means making minimal mistakes and low risk play calling to win a 16-10 game. Winning a game means having the ability to put up the 21-30 points that will be necessary to win three playoff games against teams like Indy, Ne and SD that we have to get through to make the Sb. I have a sneaking suspicion the Browns and jags will be added to that list as well. When the Bucs and Ravens won the titles they played at a time when you could manage a game and win the big one. I think we need a guy in who can win a game and not manage it. We can get down 14-0 in the first Qtr and all is not lost.
