I Gotta say Rob Rang did very well by the Jets ... this would be a coup :up: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5449624 His comments are mixed up, confuses us with the Giants, but you can't argue with the picks
What a joke he had Brodrick Bunkley ahead of Ngata to buffalo, I love Manny Lawson but I do not see him being a top 15 pick (12 to browns in his mock)
Well don't be surprised if Bunkley goes first... same thing happened with Williamson/Williams last time.
I like it for us even if he mixed us up, give me Gilles in the 2nd and we have a chance at two solid lines
I personally think that this is a perfect mock draft for us if the Jags take Mangold. Actually when I was making my mock draft I was tempted to give JAX Mangold... but then i figured they had too dire and immeadiate needs at LB to draft him.
Everyone here believes will we draft Mangold at 29...but it's looking more and more likely that Jags will take him.
Same comments as most. I dont see Lawson going that high, especially after they just McGinest as well. Browns have areas of need and I dont see the logic in reaching for a player that may not even start for you at 10-15
It's contrary to the satus quo, no doubt, but I don't think it's entirely without merit Bunkley, by every standard other than size, would deserve to go higher than Ngata ... he was a more productive player in college, known for his non stop motor whereas Ngata's is not, and he's had a better off season than Ngata as well ... the only real question about Bunkley was his size and he's done much better than expected in that area as well, measuring in at 6' 2"+/306 Granted, it's not Ngata's size and that's why Ngata ranks higher on most boards, including mine, but Bunkley is a 300+ Pounder who is very quick, very strong, has outstanding technique, a non stop motor, had an outstanding off saeason, and he was a dominant player in college as well Lastly, while "I DO" have Ngata ahead of Bunkley, it's very close ... Bunkley is in my TOP 15 and if he was 15 Pounds heavier I'd have him in my TOP 10, ahead of Haloti Ngata, cause frankly he's a better player in my veiw ... but 6' 4"+/340 is the size every team is looking for at defensive tackle, and that's Haloti Ngata So I Guess I'm saying I agree that Ngata has to go first, but I don't view it as "off the wall" that someone would swap Bunkley and Ngata As for Lawson, I think his value shifts dramatically depending upon what type of defense you run, 43 or 34? If you run a 43 defense he is nowheres near the TOP 12 ... not even in the same vacinity ... might be too small to be an every down DE {though he has the frame to add weight, but that would make him a project} and his skills as an edge rusher are pretty much wasted at OLB However, if you run a 34 defense {as does Clevelend} he can easily be viewed as TOP 12 Value on their board ... this kid could be a terror as a 34 Rush OLB ... 6' 5"/241 and runs a 4.4 {that is obscene} ... and he's not a workout warrior, he was an outstanding player in college as well TCMC, here's an interesting {VERY WELL WRITTEN} column on this topic, how 34 teams are looking for different types of front seven players and grading accordingly, thus the Grades for certain front seven prospects can vary dramatically from team to team ... these Grades are not "one size fits all" for cats like Lawson and Wimbley, etc.
When you consider the fact that Bunkley is far and away the better player than Ngata, it SHOULD happen. Also note, I highly doubt the Jags would take a Center, especially that early. Dennis Norman played admirably after Meester went down, and the team is very high on him based on what I've heard. Their need at guard is much more evident, with Manuwai being a RFA (don't think he re-upped yet) and also not developing like they'd hoped, and Naeole being rather old.
Jabba, an excellent article. I'm curious to your thoughts about how Hobson and Barton fit into a 3-4 defense. If you think Barton can play inside in a 3-4, the idea of nabbing 2 of these top 3-4 OLB's is quite tempting. I know it might seem excessive, but when you look at Pittsburgh, New England, and San Diego they had 2 premier pass rushers at OLB.
Why does he talk about Luke Petitgout and the Giants in the comments section of our 29th pick? "Rumors persist that the Giants are considering terminating the $6 million base salary of current tackle Luke Petitgout. McNeill is a bit of an enigma, as he has top-10 talent but tends to play down to his level of opponent. Regardless, he is still 6-8, 335 pounds and hasn't given up a sack since his freshman year. "
He wrote a prediction for the Giants? What a jerkoff. Is that supposed to make me take his mock seriously? I mean, it's not like he made a typo, he actually wrote a draft prediction for the Giants.
I think Barton can fit nicely at OLB in the 34 ... he's not Great and he's not a pure pass rusher per say, but he's good enough to be an effective all around linebacker who can stop the run and get after the QB on occasion as well ... in other words, you can absolutely live with Barton as a starter if healthy, and in some instances even thrive ... HE'S A GOOD SOLID PRO and a LEGIT STARTER IMO Hobson might be a decent all purpose backup/substitution who can play inside or outside and thus give the inside and outside guys an occasional blow, but I think you are short a quality starter if Hobson is starting, thus I would view him as more of an HTFG {HOLD THE FORT GUY} who is merely keeping that seat warm by default What the Jets need most of all is a Rush OLB in the 34 to compliment Barton .... IMO the 34 needs a lethal edge rusher to be truly effective ... Barton is not that type of player ... IMO the Jets "NEED" a Lawson/Wimbley/Carpenter type of Guy ... some folks view it as a luxury, I view it as a need Reason I view it as a need ... the Rush OLB is a BIG/MASSIVE piece to the 34, not Just Another Guy ... Key Component!! Can we add two linebackers, and by that I mean two new starters for the 34? YES, but that would be a luxury ... the Rush OLB is the necessity in my view ... with other needs we might have to wait another year for a second linebacker with starting potential ... but I would strongly advise that we take advantage of this possible opportunity to draft a Rush OLB at 29 in what is a VERY DEEP linebacker draft, if that opportunity presents itself in the form of a Lawson, Wimbley, Carpenter, etc. If we can steal one at 35 that would be gravy, but that might be pushing our luck
Thanks for the comments Jabba, I hope it didn't sound like I was dismissing Barton, since I think he was an excellent player for the team in 2004. How do you think Barton profiles as an ILB in a 3-4? If he can fit as an ILB, the idea of a LB group of Lawson/Carpenter on the outside and Vilma/Barton on the inside is quite scary.
No, I didn't get that impression at all DJ, I was just sharing my thoughts on the linebackers As for Barton, I think he's a better fit outside but he's kinda like Brian Cox ... Cox was not a Great athlete per say, or the biggest guy either, but he was tough, smart, and an excellent "football player" ... as such Cox was able to play anywhere at linebacker, AND DID during the course of his career ... played inside and outside in the 34 and the 43 ... didn't really matter where you placed him because he was so smart and so tenacious {and such a pro} that he was gonna make it work and he was gonna make plays just the same So I see Barton as more of an outside guy, but it wouldn't surprise me if you put him inside and he makes plays just the same ... of course this is all providing he stays healthy ... losing him was a BIG HIT last year, but it sort of went un-noticed {to some degree} because it just seemed like one of many injuries, and losing the QB's made everything else pale by comparison Anyhow, that's how I view Barton ... like a Brian Cox type ... not a great athlete, but a really good football player who is tough, smart, and will help you win games ... if he''s healthy I got a feeling Mangini is gonna like this guy BTW, I like that we brought back Cox as an assistant ... I always thought he'd make a good coach ... he was every bit as smart as he was tough, and we all know how tough he is, but I always got the feeling his football intelligence was over-shadowed by his toughness ... believe me, you don't play all of the linebacker positions he played, and he played them all {well}, if you are not a very smart football player
Great article Jabba and awesome insight. If you look at what the Browns did last year in the draft, I think we will do what the Browns did last year on day 2. Day 1 they took BPA and Day two they just stocked piled players that fit the 3-4. Great insight bro.
There is a good chance that Bunkley will move ahead of Ngata. He put on a show at the combine. I like the comparison between Mario and Seymour, however Mario's game is not as strong as Seymour's was coming out of Georgia. I dont think he is a great fit for Mangini. I stick to my guns, that DBrick is the way to go
