Jets Interested in Calvin Pace

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  1. glenn212

    glenn212 New Member

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    I believe Kenyon Coleman led the NFL in tackles for defensive linemen??? He had a great year
     
  2. JetsLookingforDWare

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    Because when you bitch about what this front office has done or hasn't done, you're only looking at the small picture (1 season).

    Because everyone already knows 4-12 sucks. I don't see the need to bitch about not signing/drafting players X, Y, and Z as if they would have made some big difference.

    No I don't...I ask what contenders have gone out and signed a big name FA before establishing their core...

    The Colts 22 starters last year were all draft pick/UDFA signings.

    The Chargers have like 20 of the 22.

    The Pats went after those FAs we would call garbage because Jets fans are just *so* above those no-name and post-prime players (Vrabel, Seau post-retirement, Harrison). They sprinkled those guys in (and one big signing in Colvin) to a strongly drafted core.

    The Cowboys drafted their core and didn't make a splash in FA (Davis and that contract) until that core was built.

    So you do it by complaining about not signing a FA when we had no cap room and no real person to sign (last year) or when FA hasn't even started yet (this year)?

    Makes sense.

    Um...what does everyone but Coleman, Thomas, and Kimo have to do with this regime? You complain about me making one giant sweeping statement...what are you doing in this paragraph?

    Reasons we didn't sign FA's last offseason:

    1. Cap room. 15 million in cap room doesn't really cut it in an offseason when guards are getting 18+ million garaunteed.

    2. Talent pool. Thomas (at the time) made the most sense to sign. That doesn't mean he wanted to be here, would have come cheaply, and would not have really meant anything in the long run as a 30 year old LBer who would be signing with a rebuilding team.

    3. Whether they thought the O-line talent was fine or not, we could not afford to sign a Steinbach, Davis, or Dockery.

    4. Signing big name FAs is for losers.

    My sig quote pretty says...well some of it...
     
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  3. Br4d

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    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol.php

    The Jets ranked 25th against runs to Left End and 26th against runs to Left Tackle. That's Coleman's side.

    They ranked 18th against runs to Right End and 15th against runs to Right Tackle. That's Ellis's side.

    The reason that Kenyon Coleman racked up the tackles that he did was because teams ran at him unmercifully, knowing that he was the weak link on the Jet's line.

    I remember when I was a kid and I bought into the Felix Millan was a great two hitter because he batted .282 in 676 At Bats for the Mets. It was only years later that I realized that At Bats wasn't what I should have been looking at. Any two hitter who won't take a walk on a pitch thrown shoulder high will get that many At Bats in a 162 game season.
     
  4. JetsLookingforDWare

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    How do you know that?

    Let me guess...because the contract he got was bigger than expected?

    Looking at last offseasons market, thats the contract of an above average starter with upside for more...not the contract some are making it out to be.
     
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  5. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I think you're looking at the wrong link. Shouldn't it be this one?
    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl.php
    If I'm reading this correctly, it shows we ranked 28th, and 31st on the Colemans side and 31st and 29th on Ellis' side. People ran on us a lot because we were down a lot. There isn't a huge difference in attempts to the left or right against our defense relative to the difference in the rest of the league.

    You also have to take into account not wanting to run at the better LB. SD had way more runs against the right side of their defense on Castillo's side, probably because teams ran away from Merriman.
     
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  6. Gubernaculum

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    Are you serious?
     
  7. Gubernaculum

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    50% of their tenure here is the small picture? When you make fans suffer through one of the worst seasons in franchise history, you're damn sure people will be bitter. They have every right to be.
     
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  8. wewantsapp

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    To a good extent, I agree w/this post because players that immediately come to mind are Randy Thomas, James Farrior, Kareem McKenzie. Farrior was probably the most frustrating. Sorry to get offtrack of this Calvin Pace thread, but here was a guy we drafted 8th OVERALL in 97. Paid him big big money. For some strange reason, Parcells (who gets way more credit than he deserves IMO) & Al Groh sit this guy on the bench for his 1st 4 seasons. His 5th year, Farrior is a stud. Then the following season we watch him go to the Steelers for 6 solid years, Super Bowl ring, All-Pro honors, etc. It seems this happens more often than not. Sorry about bringing up 10yrs ago. That was a bit much.
     
  9. wewantsapp

    wewantsapp Well-Known Member

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    Back to the thread, not in love at all w/the idea of getting a 1yr wonder whose 1yr comes in the contract year. Sorry, but I will pass on PACE.
     
  10. JetsLookingforDWare

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    Uh yes...we do...but overreact and act like all hell has broken loose? Constantly whining about shit that if you stopped to think about for 2 seconds....we couldn't even have done? That does...what exactly?

    If you want to overemphasize/exaggerate how much 2007's W-L record meant to the franchise...well go ahead cause it's a free country on a free board. But all you guys are doing is whining about a season that already happened where we weren't even legit contenders anyway.
     
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  11. Br4d

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    You're right. Brainfart on my part. Also, we weren't down a lot, we were down a little often, and we were ahead in a bunch of games in the first part of the season and the other teams were still running at us consistently. Coleman was run at 21% of the time and Ellis 14% according to their chart. Only Denver had more people running at that slot. Ellis was pretty much par for the course in terms of rushes his direction.

    The thing that was frustrating about the first part of the season was that with the exception of the Patriots and Ravens games the Jets were really in most of those games and the QB play and run defense in the second half were the reasons we lost. Couldn't score when we needed to and couldn't stop the opposing defense when they just ran it down our throats when they needed to.
     
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