Chad may not be a top 10 QB, but in my opinion, he can be a very effective and winning qb, if utilized correctly. Chad's strength is, and always has been, his play-action pass ability. He has one of the best ball fakes in the NFL, if not the very best. If he has a good running game and a solid line (ala the days we had CMART and a good line) he can run the offense very effectively. We all wanted to use the shotgun and spread offenses more and more, and that type of offense does not suit Chad. Also, having a weak young oline exascerbates the problem and amplifies his deficiencies. Don't knock on Chad too much. The guy has been a great Jet, and has handled losing his job more classy than any other qb I can ever remember. He has weaknesses, and more weaknesses than most starting qb's. However, I'd still rather have him than eli. I hope for the best for chad. If he goes to Minny, he will be in the perfect system..... they have a dominant oline and a great running game. He would have given them another 2 or 3 wins this year if he were on their team.
Chad would be fine indoors. If he goes, send him to the NFC. He was misused and at the very least isn't a good fit for the offense they run now. What ever happened to play action? It was his best play. Minnesota would be perect. West Coast O, nasty running game and add him as a game manager QB. They would be a tough out. Plus home games the wind wouldn't bother him. One thing that doesn't come up often is how slow both his feet and delivery have gotten. Is that even fixable? Personally I hope he stays, unless the o-line gets fixed Clemens won't last long anyway.
The goal isn't to have a borderline starting quarterback. The goal is to have a great quarterback, or at least a good one. Chad is neither. I'll take Brady, Manning, Garrard, Derek Anderson, Carson Palmer, Ben Roethlisberger, Donovan McNabb, Tony Romo, Drew Brees, Jake Delhomme, Jeff Garcia, Brett Favre, Matt Hasselbeck, and Mark Bulger over Pennington any day of the week. Matt Schaub, Vince Young, Jay Cutler, Eli Manning, Jason Campbell, and Philip Rivers are all young guys who I would probably take over Chad now, and definitely in the future. And honestly, can you seriously tell me that Pennington is better than someone like Kurt Warner or Todd Collins or Trent Edwards or Luke McCown? Even if it's shown that Pennington can play better with a better supporting cast, and I'm sure he can, he's still no better than a mediocre quarterback. He's a great backup and a good placeholder for a young guy. But as a starter, there aren't many teams that would take him.
Im sure Chad would do well in playoff games played in Green Bay or Chicago in Jan if he had to throw the ball.
A little early in the day to be drinking so heavy, no? Please dont get behind the wheel, you must be blasted!
Both those teams are in their division anyway. I think we should keep him around for depth and tutoring for Kellen. Right now, he's better than Kellen, and that's sad. No one can say Chad was ever great except 2002. 06 he set personal records for yards, attempts, and completions, but threw 17 TDs and 16 picks. He had similar (to 2006) success in 2003, with more in 2004, and has been injured ever since. If we could morph the 2 QBs and put the best qualities of both, we would have a top 5 QB in the league. We should keep him around for KC to learn from him, but he can't be the answer. He went 1-7 this year. Even if Kellen had played the 2nd Pats game, he'd be 3-6, and Penny 1-6. Pennington had Coles, who can catch the ball for all of his starts too except the Patriots/Titans games. He threw multiple INTs in the 4th quarter to seal the deal. He looked good against the Pats, but his style of play doesn't get the job done. Opposition can put 11 in the box against him and not be afraid of the deep out, post, deep in. It's all curls and short outs, with a few short ins mixed in at this point for #10. He's valuable to the team, just not a top ten QB. The fact that this can even be debated points towards the lack of good QB play in the NFL. Brady, Manning, Roethlisberger, Garrard, Brees, Garcia, Favre, Hasslebeck, Bulger, Cutler, Romo, McNabb. That's my list right now, and a lot of other QBs would get my vote too because they have more upside.
I strongly disagree, especially since you have no clue what you get with Kitna. He's been erratic over his entire career, and like someone else said he throws picks like a madman. 20 INT's to 18 TD's with 2 of the top 10 receivers in the game, a very good slot guy, and in a Mike Martz offense? No thank you. I think you guys are just looking at the stats and the skill sets. Don't forget the fact that Chad has been in shitty offensive schemes his entire career, with 2006 being an exception, he's never had a great WR besides Coles, and the fact that Chad leads his team down the field as well as any other QB out there. Last year we were the only team in the NFL to not have a delay of game penalty. It seemed that every time Chad took the field this year he moved the ball down the field with a crap offensive line and a couple receiving threats with an erratic running game. He just gets it done, and I think he could excel in a situation like Kitna had last year. Give me these guys in front of Chad (in no particular order): Brady Peyton Manning Roethlisberger Palmer Anderson Garrard Cutler McNabb Romo Favre Hasselbeck So I put him in at 12th best in the NFL.
We can easily go 4-12 with or without Chad. No deep threat with Chad kills the running game, doesn't spread out the defense, and gives the WRs concussions as the D can tee off on the short routes. Chad's asset was accuracy and not throwing INTs. Thst seemed to have disappeared. Time for a change...
At the end of the day Kellen won 3 games and Chad 1. Kellen should have had victories against Washington and Baltimore. Kellen has been spotty at best but has been the victim of no Oline and receivers who can not catch and are suited for a short dink and dunk offense. The chad ties have to be broken so Kellen or whoever else leads the team can become a leader. As long as Chad is still there Kellen will never be able to take over and this will never become his team. If you want a vet presence who can teach then the jets should resign Vinny.
I agree, I think Chad is better though for right now, you can't argue with 50% completions, 1/2 TD INT ratio. He's young, no O-Line, Coles was hurt. Why couldn't he find Cotchery. I was impressed with some various performances. If there's anyone that can help KC with his accuracy, it's Chad. The team played hard regardless of QB. Vinny retired Sunday.
As long as Chad is present in the locker room it will never be Kellens team. Then there are the Chad fans who want him to start no matter how bad he plays to start booing and calling for him the first time Kellen has a bad game next year. If Chad were coming from another team It would be fine but his time here has to come to an end so the team can move forward. Vinny will come back if the price is right. He might even come back to coach.
Vinny can come back, but we can't keep Chad? WTF is wrong with you, seriously? Was it not Chad's team until Vinny left? If Kellen wants to be the man and make it his team all he has to do is go out there and be a good QB and help them win some games. It doesn't matter who is in the locker room with you. Men follow leaders period. If he starts leading them like it is his team it will be his team. When he out performs Chad he can feel like he's out of his shadow. So far he hasn't done that. Not that I'm going to boo the guy. I'm willing to give him a little more time than that.
This is the only bad season CP has had and everyone is calling for his head. Saying that CP sucks is akin to saying that Vilma sucks. Vilma sucks right now in our 3/4 and we all know why. CP struggles bc he is in the same perdicament. Bad system, bad play calling, and bad supporting cast. Put either of these guys in the right position to excel and they are both high level players.
