I rewatched the game and kept an eye on him. Recorded 8 tackles and had a very solid game. I really only saw him get blocked and taken out of the once maybe twice. Other than that he was doing a good job of holding his ground and shedding the initial blocker to make the play. I noticed he played the majority of the first and second downs over D-Rob. Overall he did a very good job against a very dominant offensive line (ranked 5th in rushing). Had 5 tackles last week against New England as well which tied for 3rd most tackles. I think the coaching staff knows he's worth something and will be keeping him around for next season. What he showed today seemed very promising. Other notes from Titans game: -Mostly everyone else on the D-line plays very mediocrely. -Ellis seems to be pretty useless in our system. He can't seem to get involved in plays because he is always being blocked out of them. -D-Rob simply cannot release from the initial blocker. Really only good for obvious passing situations but even then he can only help marginally over the next guy. -Barton seems to make the wrong move pretty often. Often picks the wrong hole to attack or the wrong direction to move in. He will usually make the play but only after surrending yardage. -Harris is great in our system. Consistently sheds in time to make the tackle. It's not often the runner gets past him. If the D-line could hold their ground a little longer, Harris could start making plays closer to the line of scrimmage. -Secondary looked great again...ranked 9th overall against passing. I think the Jet's run defense problem should be blamed 75% on the D-line 25% on the Linebackers.
I've been in Pouha's corner the entire year. The guy is just a flat out better 3'4 NT against the run than Robertson. The difference is light and day. I'd love to see the average yards per carry while Pouha is playing vs when Robertson is playing.
Pouha has played very very well the last 5 or 6 games. Yesterday was much the same. He held his position very well and was not thrown back 4 to 6 yards into the LB's face. (If you have trouble finding #63 when he plays NT, that is where you can usually find him.) He works off one on one blocks very well. I also liked that they had Pouha and Robertson on the field at the same time several times yesterday. Specifically on a sack by Bowens, Pouha was at NT and Robertson was at end. Robertson had a nice up the field push and Bowens stunted underneath him for the sack. Hopefully, we will see more of that next year...only with Chris Long as the rushing OLB instead of Bowens. You are right on about Barton. He makles tackles, unfortunately they are usaually 5 to 6 yards down field. He and Hobson are absolutely horrible at working off of one on one blocks, hitting the proper holes and maintaining their gap responsibility - other than that they are great. (Matt Monger was a better LB then either of them - that one is for the 30+ crowd) Hobson can not work off a TE's block forget trying him in the middle against a OG. Barton, Hobson, Kassell all should see the exit sign after next week.....
Pouha has played well, he doesn't seem to get pushed around. I really like Mosley, he's played some good D-Line this year. Mosley was a very good player at Mizzou.
I think if somebody would wake up and we used Pauha and DRob in the middle and go to a 4-3 we would get better right away in stopping the run.
That is music to my ears. It would make Ellis a better player too. I don't see it happening with Mangini and the love of the 3-4 (Parcells through Bellichik to Mangini).
True words. Pouha at NT & D-Rob at DE....makes the Jets' a better front 3. Coleman as the other DE or OLB & Mosley as a DE. This is a stronger front for the Jets'....But the season is over now & these are thing that should have been tried long ago....:drunk:
I agree that Pouha played well. I also agree that the rest of the DL is garbage. That being the case, if Pouha is the real deal and the Jets can find a DE that fits the system, why trade Vilma??? Put a NT that can play and Vilma is clearly better than any other option the Jets have right now at the other ILB opposite Harris.
Actually the Jets played several downs basically in a 4-3. They had 3 down lineman with Shaun Ellis standing up on the line. It didn't help Ellis at all and really added no advantage.
I've been saying this for a while now on any thread I can find. http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?p=621889#post621889 09-09-2007, 04:41 PM http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?p=621731#post621731 09-09-2007, 04:05 PM http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?p=688223#post688223 11-04-2007, 08:39 PM http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=26771 11-05-2007, 09:03 PM http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?p=689323#post689323 11-05-2007, 09:14 PM 11-05-2007, 09:20 PM 11-05-2007, 09:49 PM http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?p=705761#post705761 11-29-2007, 08:21 PM
Was thinking the same thing. Thats a lot of beef in the middle. With Ellis and Coleman on the ends, we should be effective at stopping the run. Problem will still be generating a pass rush.
That's not true... That's a 3-4 "over" or "under" depending on which way the 3 down linemen were shifted.... The NT, in those formations, still plays in the middle, only he shades to either the strong or weak side of the center, depending on if it's the over or under. The 3-4 LOOKS more like a 4-3, but it is still a 3-4, with the DEs having the same responsisbilities, and the stand-up guy (usually Ellis or Thomas, often Bowens) still has pass-coverage responsibilities.... The reason Ellis doesn't play better in that scheme is that, although his alignment is similar to what it would be as an end in the 4-3, the responsibilities are very, very different....
Ellis sucked in our last 4-3 year. And we should have went to the 4-3 when Pouha was injured last year? It's not like we're loaded at DT to run a 4-3 anyway. We have two and Mosley in passing situations.
Yeah, if they would simply play the 4-3 next year, it would be a lot more user friendly. Ellis is better in the 4-3, and you could play both Pouha AND DROB at DT, with Mosely in reserve. Heck, you could even keep Harris at MLB and maybe even play Vilma on the weak side. And you could cut the ultimate underachiever Bryan Thomas who they should have never resigned for megabucks. He is NOT a playmaker and he is playing at a playmaker position in the current 3-4.
Honestly, D-rob is not even suited to play end in this system. I'd rather just try to trade him off or just cut him. He lacks the height to be a great 3-4 DE.
I've been saying this for a while...even though I don't think Mangini will let his pride go and move to the 4-3. Vilma would be absolutely GREAT on the Weak Side with Harris in the middle. I still think Vilma should be able to play next to Harris as an ILB in the 3-4. I say it all the time, we always blame our best players, but we need to realize that our weaknesses in the 3-4 are due to the fact that we have players starting who would never start on another team. Hobson and Bryan Thomas suck in my opinion and should be cut. They get chances to rush the passer all game and never seem to the get there. They are slow, they miss tackles, they can't shed blocks, and consistantly lose their assignments. Barton (who I used to like a lot) is now getting old and past his prime. He is not the player he used to be and is now trying to compensate for that by overpursuing and choosing the wrong holes to attack. Vilma and Harris, plus two new OLB's could be a force in this defense.
1. Ellis has done fine in the 3-4. It's not like he'd blow himself out the water if we went back to the 4-3. 2. Pouha gets...how many snaps a game? This is a big man with a significant injury history who doesn't even take 25% of the snaps (not sure about that actually). I have trouble buying his transition would be seamless. 3. We have 4-3 formations. Every 3-4 team does. 4. Vilma would suck as an OLB in the 4-3. He's a much better MLB IMO. 5. And if we cut Thomas, the pass rush comes from....? 6. Thomas was pretty good last year. I think he's fine with someone playing well across from him. Plus his best pro position has always been 3-4 OLB.
