Sorry to start another Clemens thread, but I didn't start any of the others and cannot attach a poll to them. I'm curious as to where we as a fan base stand on our patience level with Clemens.
I'll give him *another* full season to show me something. He didn't play a full season, however give him a training camp and a full season before hanging him. Oline upgrade is a must (beating the dead horse).
It would be nice to give a young QB a couple of years to develop but nowadays you gotta be successful or at least show some signs. Kellen has not impressed anyone, except those with strong arm envy. He was a 2nd, possible 1st round, pick so he deserves more time, by week 8 of next season all will be clear.
You always need competition and at least 2 QB's.... If you think Matt Ryan is a lock to be a great QB you draft him.... Otherwise you look towards the rest of the draft and you add a Free agent.... Clemens has to win the job in camp - If a rookie or guy off the street beats him THAT badly you give that guy the shot.... it's not about Clemens as much as it is about building a TEAM - an offensive line and weapons plus a defense that can stop the run..... If you have all that, I think you'll find a QB somewhere... There's a lot of QB's that have floated around the past 2 years that can get the job done IMO....
quick question...i live in danbury, ct during school so i get cbs-2 and cbs-3 getting btoh pats n jets game at the same time, but i gotta go home to waterburyu, ct this weekend so i only get ne when they play the same time as jets, kinda gay. does anyione know how i could order just this game?
I'll give him half of next year, but I want to draft a QB this year in the 3rd or 4th round as insurance.
The kid deserves a full season with a revamped O-Line before we can start pointing the finger. If he starts playing like Rex Grossman, we should drop him in a heartbeat.
Give him a full season with a half decent offensive line to show what he's got. If the Jets don't have major improvements planned on the o-line it won't matter who we have back there anyway.
The way I look at it is even if we improve both lines some of those players are gong to be rookies and the best i can hope so is that we makes the playoffs. I certainly dont think we are getting anywhere near a bowl appearance for a couple of years. So Let Clemens have a full Season and see what we have in him. I dont think you can truly judge him behind this line and in only 4 games.
When Clemens has had time he still has overthrown and underthrown the ball too much for be to be confident as the answer. But there is a learning curve with Qbs and we need to give him another year. They better have someone working with him inh te offseason that really knows their shit.
Cannizzarrro - MANGINI'S AT QB CROSSROADS December 19, 2007 -- WHEN NFL teams become cryptic about important issues, it almost always means they're in trouble or scrambling for answers. When it comes to their unsettled quarterback situation, the Jets are both - in trouble and scrambling. Granted, at 3-11 and with two more games left before this season comes to a merciful close, you might ask, "How much more trouble could they be in?" But this is bigger than 3-11. This is about their future at the most important position on their roster. A read between the lines in Sunday's loss to the Patriots unearthed something significant. There's a reason why Eric Mangini stayed with Chad Pennington for the rest of the game Sunday in Foxborough - even after Kellen Clemens had gone to the locker room to have his injured rib checked and returned to the sideline physically able to return. Because Pennington gave Mangini and the Jets their best chance to win the game. While, in fairness, Clemens hasn't yet been afforded enough time to show a complete enough body of work, unfortunately for the Jets it's become rather clear since he was handed the starting job seven weeks ago that Pennington still gives the Jets their best chance to win on Sundays. That was very apparent Sunday when Pennington had the offense in more of a rhythm than Clemens has had it for much of his playing time. This is not meant to be a complete indictment of Clemens as a starter, because he certainly hasn't gotten the kind of help he's needed from the offensive line, receivers and running game. But, at 2-4 as the starter and with a 52 percent completion rate and four TDs and 10 INTs, the Jets were hoping for more - enough to show he can be their starter in 2008 and beyond. That, after all, was the reason for benching Pennington in favor of Clemens in the first place - so Clemens could have half a season to show what he can do and perhaps solidify himself as next season's starter. For all of the fans who demanded Pennington be benched as they clamored for Clemens and his superior arm strength, we ask you this question: Give us some tangible examples where Clemens' arm strength has benefited the Jets so greatly? It hasn't. Yes, arm strength is a factor for any quarterback, but it's not the most important factor to success. Pennington, who's been a winning quarterback in this league because of his other gifts, such as smarts and anticipation, has proven that. When Mangini was asked if he feels he already has "enough of a body of work" with Clemens to make some offseason decisions with regard to the quarterback situation, he said, "I haven't really been looking at it like that. I've been looking at it more in terms of each game and not in terms of what we're going to be doing after the season comes to a close." Mangini has to say that for a couple of reasons. First, it stays consistent with his mantra of staying in the present with each game and not looking ahead. Most important, it's quite obvious he hasn't seen enough of Clemens to determine whether he has his quarterback of now and the future. That opens a can of worms Mangini and GM Mike Tannenbaum were hoping wouldn't see the light of the can opener. It leaves the Jets with uncertainty at their most important position. It raises three frightening questions. * Will Clemens be better next year? * Can they go back to Pennington after benching him? * Do they need to move in another direction by drafting a Matt Ryan or Brian Brohm or Andre Woodson? These are questions the Jets hoped they wouldn't have to deal with when they handed the starting job to Clemens with hopes that he would seize the opportunity and prove himself. Now the Jets have to make a decision. Do they stay committed to Clemens? Go back to Pennington and build around him? Or start over? For a team that has plenty of other problems to address this offseason, that's a daunting issue to deal with, and it's the reason Mangini has been so cryptic about the status of Clemens' ribs and who'll start Sunday against the Titans in Nashville.
well, it looks like we're neither here nor there with Clemens or Pennington - maybe that's why I say it's worth exploring a deal for Brady Quinn?
Ya know the Jets are now 1-7 in the games that Chad has played the majority of the snaps and 2-4 in the games where Clemens has. You'd think Cannizaro was smarter than that, but of course he needs to stir up controversy to keep his job.
All this Clemens talk is BS. Wait until he's had a chance to play behind a real o-line that allows for a running game before labeling him the next Browning Nagle.
Like Brady Quinn could have done better this season with this team. Ha! I'm not sold on Clemens, but you have to the give the guy a halfway decent line to play behind to truly see what he can do. Overall it is a crappy situation because if you give him another year and he's not the answer you have to look for someone new, unless we look this year and expect to shop Penny. This is going to be a tricky situation at QB.
dude give clemens a chance man hes only played 6 games u dont draft another qb if chad leaves just get another vet i give him next season not jus based on their w-l based on his stats and he handles the offensive team
And two of those losses that Chad played in were against the undefeated Pats. Do you honestly think Clemens would have beaten the Pats on Sunday? With how inaccurate he's been, there was no way he would even come close. You need to play almost perfectly to beat the Pats, and Clemens is nowhere near that yet.
