All I'm saying, is Clemens roid rage was out of control in 2000. Remember when he threw that bat at Piazza? RAGE!
I certainly DON'T think the Mets were clean. Nor do I think the Red Sox are clean. If I had to guess, I'd say that the Red Sox players (recent past and present) who have taken performance enhancing drugs, are: Ortiz, Damon, Nixon, Varitek, Timlin, Nomar, Kapler, Embree, Bellhorn, Renteria. Those are just off the top of my head and, yes, I don't think Manny is a juicer. I would name just as many Yankees - perhaps more. I'm a cynic. I believe that MOST of baseball's best players used performance enhancing drugs, and I believe that a good many of them STILL use them today. What's to stop a player from taking HGH? Practically nothing. The threat the some investigator in some future case will find your order and mailing receipt. So, here's a thought - plan around it. If I can squeak an extra four wins or 25 points on my average, and if I'm a 27 year old free agent next year, HGH can make me an extra 3-4 million per year on a five-year contract. For $15-20 million, that's a great gamble to take. Mitchell was the wrong guy for this job, but he did a better job with it than I expected he would. That said, I think some other lawyer would have been more likely to embarass more of the parties involved, and I think that's what was needed here.
I wouldn't object if this entire era (1994?-2003?2004?) were stricken from the records and a moratorium placed on HOF inductions for the next 8-10 years. Harsh, perhaps, and I know that will never happen, but that would be the only way to send any real message to future generations. Otherwise it's just a matter of finding tests for HGH and keeping up with the next thing that comes along.
First of all, I don't think that the Yanks should take the fall for Roger's drug use.... He turned his career around (via needles in the butt) while he was in Toronto. That's what earned him that fat Steinbrenner contract the first time around. I'm wondering... in the next 10-15 years, are we gonna see all these 38+ y/o roid heads dropping like flies?
Thank you Jack. This is the most sensible post of the day. As is the true point of the entire thing, there are no clean noses. And as I've been saying all along, yes, I too believe most of the players are taking something.
I don't think that at all, in fact I agree with you. But had just said no one had done it during a championship year, I was just correcting that. I'm with you on the Mets/Yanks thing.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153646 that shows what he has on every guy on the list. almost all of them are from Radomski, who agreed to talk to the committee and turn over records as part of his plea in a criminal case.
I don't get the impression that the Yankees were singled out, in fact I see lots of former Dodgers, Expos and Rockies on the list as well as some Mariners and Phillies.
This thread and title rage reminds me of the scenario that unfolded a few years back when some high school kids made a top 25 list of the chicks in their school. The list talked about what made the chicks hot, and which ones were whores and drug addicts.. The amusing part to me though, was the outrage the parents displayed, none of them seemed to be too broken up that their little girls were blow job queens or that she was a pin cushion for needles. They were pretty much all pissed off about the invasion of her privacy and her reputation being destroyed. Similar situation here, it seems the outrage is around the fact that the Sox were not dragged through the mud as much as the yankees! Well, I guess that makes the findings biased and meaningless!! I overheard a conversation between a big shot executive at my company and one of his peers, he felt the same way (he's a yankee fan) "Mitchell is a Red sox insider, what do you expect"...
I agree with just about all of this. I think the bigger market teams have an extraordinarily high number of juicers, as well....given that big numbers make big contracts in big markets. I think Mitchell was the right guy to do this, tho. I think that this is kind of a "first step", rather than a "final product". Without some cooperation from players and the union, there is really no stopping the widespread use of steroids and HGH. This report just gives a little bit of leverage to the owners and commisioner. We'll see.
Surprising piece by Heyman this morning. Since he was the one who asked Mitchell about his apparent conflict, I assumed that he would bang that drum this morning. Just the opposite. Heyman brushes it off, and goes even further by commending Mitchell (which I think is going too far).
The problem with that thinking is that you are assuming the era is over. Not even close. Until they have a urine test for HGH the era is still going on as strong as ever. Do you really think Pujols is clean for example? What about Howard or Fielder? No way to tell.
Maybe just bad timing but it certainly makes them look guilty as shit and draws even more scrutiny to why Mitchell didn't resign from the Sox before undertaing this. "The Boston Red Sox did not tender a contract to reliever Brendan Donnelly on Wednesday, hours before he was named Thursday in the Mitchell report about the illegal use of performance-enhancing substances in baseball. The move, which makes him a free agent, was announced in an e-mail sent at 12:03 a.m. EST Thursday. The Mitchell report was released at 2 p.m. "The club had no idea about names prior to release of this report," Red Sox spokesman John Blake said. "We didn't get anything until Mitchell released it at 2 o'clock. So there's no way that anybody had any inkling that Donnelly would be mentioned in that report." http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153816
Interesting that the Yankees have yet to release a statement other then to say they are reviewing the report and have no statement. Can't wait until they do.
Sundayjack, Alio... You need to read this La Times Article.. http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp...2&cset=true&ctrack=2&coll=la-headlines-sports
