True, and you have to have run attempts. But should we run the ball 2 out of 3 times and continuously be in 3rd and long if our running game sucks?
Klecko, this thread was on point....thank you for taking the time to gather these thoughts and post this masterpiece... Whiners, continue to raid the forum with your illogical thoughts and brainless rants....
Great post. Now we get to look forward to people repeating the key points of it in every individual thread started regarding every one of the topics you covered. Then we can watch people pat each other on the back as if it was some new amazing revelation that nobody had ever thought of before. This thread SHOULD be stickied as a PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING..
Let's hold judgment until the end of the season. I just can't make an honest evaluation of his performance. Yes, he’s has 9 interceptions and only 4 TD. Is that because of the poor line play? It could also be because the WR’s are injured? We need a true #1 WR with speed. I'm just not sure about Clemens!!!!hmy:
yeh im gettin a lil nervous about clemins..but i think most of it was because everyone made so much hype for him. but drafting another QB and having to wait 1-2 years for him to develop would set them back...but i dont care who the qb is i juss want them to win games
It tough to be in a competition with 34 teams. Every season there is one happy group of supporters and 33 unhappy groups of supporters. Thats a hell of a lot of unsatisfied people.
So you are claiming that he definetl IS the qb of the future? And that wouldn't be even more moronic seeing that us doubters have a little more to go on at this point? Stop refering to people who disagree with you as morons.
Great post, Klecko. as long as they make that number one and do it right this time, do not pass Go until they have done #1. LOL I thought that, too when i first opened the thread.
klecko - Nice post. I don't agree with everything you wrote, but I think you got it 90% right. Since nearly every other thread makes me roll my eyes, I have to say thanks.:beer: DbJ
I haven't claimed anything about Clemens, other than the jury is still out. What I am saying is that people who definitively claim he is not the answer after only 6 starts are morons. That has nothing to do with disagreeing with me at all, but with common sense. How the hell can any of the so-called football experts around here claim he is crap after 6 starts? Go look at the stats of some other QBs after 6 games and compare them to the rest of their careers. You will see guys who started off fast like Kurt Warner and are now relegated to the scrap heap. You will see guys who started off slow like John Elway and they are in the HOF. If the Jets expended a 1st Rd pick on Kellen, everyone here would be saying this guy needs 3 years to determine what he is going to be. How about we give the guy a bit more than 6 starts to figure what that is?
I don't know if Clemens is the answer or not? He has shown some flashes but the thing that you have to question is his single best performance was the 4th quarter of the Ravens game. Since than his best trait has been being able to shake off some really crappy play and not let it effect his next series. On the other hand he is looking more uncomfortable in the pocket to me as he is getting hit more. I wonder if Elway, Manning and some of the other guys who people bring up showed progress from game to game or did they just regress every game during their first year? Without that piece of information it's kind of a fools argument. Let me ask you since you have gone out on a limb saying you don't know if Clemens is the answer, if when we draft next year the No. 1 player on our board is a QB and we really believed in him as an NFL talent, would you make that pick?
A very tough call indeed. I think we really need to give KC the supporting cast first during the off-season. Next year will be KC's true acid test as a QB. So, I guess I say no to picking the best available QB. That pick could really do good somewhere else on the team. To pick a QB high in the draft this spring is more of a hibernation pick. It may bear fruit down the road and it may not. I think where this team is right now, it would be wasteful. Additional comment: The starting post of this thread fairly accurately sums up the picture, and yes, some of the threads and posts have been ridiculous lately.
If the Jets # 1 player on the board is a QB (i.e. they believe he is a FRANCHISE QB), and he is available when we are picking, then I think you need to make the pick. At the end of the day, if you believe in your FO and your scouts and they are telling you this is the guy, then you make the move. That being said, for the most part, QBs taken in the first round are hit and miss and not worth the risk IMO. I have posted about this before ad nauseum about the success rate (or lack thereof) of 1st rd QBs. So if you do make that pick, you better be right. As for what I would do if I was running the Jets, I truly believe that you build a team from the trenches out. This is what Belichick has done with the Patriots. As a general rule, he focuses his draft on the offensive and defensive lines. Yes, there are exceptions, but for the most part the guy is constantly taking big lineman in the draft. Check this out, these are the starters on the offensive and defensive line for the Patriots: OLINE - Nick Kaczur was drafted by the New England Patriots in the third round (100th overall) of the 2005 NFL Draft. Matt Light was drafted by the New England Patriots in the second round (48th overall) of the 2001 NFL Draft. Dan Koppen was drafted by the New England Patriots in the fifth round (164th overall) of the 2003 NFL Draft. Logan Mankins was drafted by the New England Patriots in the first round (32nd overall) of the 2005 NFL Draft. Stephen Neal was originally signed by the Patriots as an undrafted free agent (7/23/01) Ryan O'Callaghan was drafted by the New England Patriots in the fifth round (136th overall) of the 2006 NFL Draft Russ Hochstein was obtained by the Patriots as an UFA when they signed him to the practice squad on Oct. 21, 2002. Wesley Britt was signed to the Patriots active roster on January 30, 2006 ... Originally drafted by the San Diego Chargers in the fifth round (164th overall) of the 2005 NFL Draft ... Released by the Chargers (9/4/05) ... Signed to the Patriots practice squad (9/5/05). DLINE - Richard Seymour was drafted by the Patriots in the first round (sixth overall) of the 2001 NFL Draft. Vince Wilfork was drafted by the New England Patriots in the first round (21st overall) of the 2004 NFL Draft. Jarvis Green was drafted by the New England Patriots in the fourth round (126th overall) of the 2002 NFL Draft. Mike Wright was signed as an undrafted free agent by the New England Patriots on April 29, 2005. LeKevin Smith was drafted by the New England Patriots in the sixth round (206th overall) of the 2006 NFL. Ty Warren was drafted by the New England Patriots in the first round (13th overall) in the 2003 NFL Draft. SINCE 2001, the Patriots have used 11 Draft picks and 4 UFA signings to build their offensive and defensive line as follows: FOUR 1st RD Draft Picks ONE 2nd Rd Draft Pick ONE 3rd Rd Draft Pick ONE 4th Rd Draft Pick TWO 5th Rd Draft Picks ONE 6th Rd Draft Pick FOUR UFA Signings They have imported a grand total of ZERO Offensive and Defensive Lineman in Free Agency (in this instance I mean they haven't spent any big FA $$$ to sign a lineman) to build those two lines. Since the 2001 Draft through the 2007 Draft, the Patriots have had a total of 60 draft picks, of which they have expended a total of 19 draft picks on offensive and defensive lineman. THEY HAVE USED 33% OF THEIR DRAFT PICKS ON THE OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE LINEMAN SINCE 2001. Why has Belichicken done this and why aren't other teams???? Offensive and defensive lineman are "force multipliers" in the NFL. What do I mean by this? A great offensive line can create holes that make an average running back look great. A great offensive line can protect an average QB and give him time to complete a pass. A great offensive line can, by protecting a QB, given WRs enough time to get open (I don't care how good the coverage is - it always breaks down without pressure). A great defensive line can stuff the run and make average LBs look great. A great defensive line can create pressure on QBs that allow average DBs to capitalize on QB mistakes. All other positions can be imported if necessary. RBs are a dime a dozen in the NFL. WRs generally take 3 years to develop, why draft when you can get one in free agency? The same goes for CBs and LBs. The only exception is the franchise QB. They very rarely are available on the open market so it is necessary to draft and develop one. We can bitch all we want about how the Patriots lucked into Brady...and that they did...but you cannot deny that they have committed the FO and Scouting Department to finding, drafting and developing talent in the trenches. That is why they can get away with importing WRs, RBs, LBs, etc. Those are interchangeable parts on the machine and mean nothing without the offensive and defensive line "engine" and QB driver.
