The Duke case never went to trial, no jury ever decided guilt or innocence. Elam claimed that the 4 of them had consentual sex with her during her period, she claimed rape, the jury didn't buy either side completely. The prosecutors probably didn't press charges against the suppossed rapist because of a lack of evidence. The Duke case the charges were presented whith a lack of evidence for political reasons. The analogy is a poor one.
You missed my point.... If the Duke kids had Elams lawyer I'd bet my house that case would have went to trial.... but like I said... none of us were there so we don't know what really happened
If every murderer on death row had OJ's defense they would all be out on the street. The guy admitted that he was involved in a 4 on 1, the girl said it wasn't consentual it was rape and he was convicted by a jury of sexual assault. I really don't see the comparrison at all.
admitting to a 4 on 1 and admitting to rape are 2 different things... I went to college... I saw girls do some crazy stuff... but it was far from rape.... my big problem is the other guy who actually committed the rape got nothing or weren't charged at all.... I wonder if this girl follows them around like she does Elam... I'd like to know that...
Junc, you're right about her having to live with it everyday... as far as football goes, and Mangini's "character guys," i'm of the opinion that in some instances you deserve a second chance. if they felt he's been punished and ready to turn over a new leaf, then he is a character guy in that aspect. you don't have to have been a boy scout your entire life.
Good read. If I'm Elam I make an attempt to reach out to her to apologize for any pain and suffering he may have caused. If she doesn't accept it, then so be it. It sounds like this lady needs some closure. Lots of guys have a bad past and grow to be model citizens. Just look at Curtis Martin, the epitome of 'high character.' He'll be the first to tell you about making bad decisions growing up. As long as Elam has learned from it and repented for his sins then he is good to go in my book.
whoa whoa whoa, the three other guys allegedly raped her, none were convicted 2 werent even tried. its tough to call a guy a rapist when he may not be guilty of rape. it is the classic he said she said, it from many angles im sure looks like rape, im sure from many other angles looks like it was consensual. bottom line is though is that you cant put yourself in positions where bad things can happen. im glad he is doing well in his life now, whether he did something terrible or not he has worked very hard to get where he is and for that i give him credit.
I can't hate on a guy who refused to snitch on his boys... Sure he did the wrong thing by not stopping the rape, but he did the least crime and was the only one convicted. That's freakin salt in the wounds and punishment enough... I think that woman showed a great deal of immaturity and a severe lack of forgiveness in trying to sabotage the man's career. Glad Parcells said f*ck her haha
My only question is why is she only going after him? I think in the article it even mentioned that what he did was less severe than the others, but it's Elam she is focused on? Why? Because he's a pro athlete? Why isn't she hounding the others? Yes, I 100% agree what he did was terribly stupid and he may have even gotten off lightly with no jail time. I feel horrible for the poor lady. No woman should have to endure something like that, but for all his sins and his involvement in the rape, Elam still deserves a chance to make a living. Or would everyone be happier if he was living in the streets? But since she seems focused solely on Elam, it makes me think she does enjoy the limelight a little bit. I could be wrong (and usually am).
Wow. Great attitude. It's funny how people feel differently when it becomes personal (wife, sister, mother, girlfriend, grandmother, little brother, etc.). Hopefully you won't ever be faced with that. Strange little coincidence how a different player named Donald Dykes used to play for the Jets. Caught my eye, this being a Jets board. Here's what I'm reading between the lines in this story. The victim is hounding Elam and making life difficult for him because with his testimony there was a chance the others could have been convicted. The article even says so. Obviously she has a serious ax to grind because of it because she thinks he's a coward. She tried to 'ruin his career' before he had one in the NFL. Something tells me something very serious happened to her, and that she's not lying about it. I find it hard to be objective about stuff like this, but I try. I'm being honest about that. As far as the Duke case, I wanted to punch that stripper in the face and here's why. It's precisely that type of thing that sets back justice for victims of sexual assault a 1,000 years, regardless of their gender, age, occupation, etc. It's hard enough for victims to come forward and be believed when they're telling the truth, but false accusations harm everyone and only cement beliefs true victims have a hard enough time overcoming. Another example to demonstrate this: I was furious over the Tawana Brawley case, and twice as furious when it came to light I'd been duped. I'm thinking not for the same reasons some men were. And I said some, not all.
He's not a rapist, so can we just stop with all the high and mighty BS. Apparently many of you have no idea what goes on at colleges these days. I've seen censored videos of massive orgies on various news shows. 1 girl pleasuring 4 guys really isn't that big of a stretch of the imagination. If she was forcefully violated by 3 guys for real, the evidence would have been overwhelming.
Nobody called him a rapist. Not even the victim. A jury heard all of the evidence and found that Abram Elam, himself, did not conspire to rape this woman, but was guilty of sexual battery for standing by and fondling her. Jury of his peers. . . fair trial. . . . chance to offer his side of the story. . . unsupportable charges weeded out. . . . a guilty verdict. That's about all I need to resolve the issue in my own mind.
My problem is that the 'non-character' guys he is taking a chance on all blow on the football field. If he's going to take a chance on someone, at least make sure the guy will make a difference on the football field. By the way, junc is right, this guy is a turd and should be collecting shopping carts in an Iowa parking lot.
