It was coaching yesterday

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  1. PennyandtheJets

    PennyandtheJets Well-Known Member

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    Are you effing kidding me? You are gonna blame that entire loss on the coaching staff? Get a life! The whole fuckin team sucks. It isn't just the coaching.
     
  2. VickBlows

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    ^ and i guess the CS had nothing to do with assembling this pile of shit team?
     
  3. Baron Samedi

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    Who isn't more of a scrambler? :lol: Point taken, though. I was thinking more the way Bledsoe always held the ball too long looking downfield, and not seeing open receivers within 5 yards of him.
    Bledsoe seemed great his forst 2 or 3 years, but....10 years later...he was still the same guy as he was in his rookie season...he never improved his game.
    Kellen may be like this, but it could very easily be inexperience...especially when you are too young to read defenses effectively, they tend to watch how the defense develops before they figure it out, and then it's too late.

    Also, as far as the O-line....it's one of those things that you can't fix mid-season. Unless the problem is the blocking scheme, which it doesn't appear to be to me...these guys are getting bulldozed and leveraged. they seem quick enough to me....but they are just not strong enough, and have marginal footwork/balance.

    Again, I rarely get to watch the Jets, so some of my observations may be inaccurate.
     
  4. hazmat

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    I don't think you'd be happy with anyone. Every post you write is negative. Would you be happy if we signed Mike Tice or Mike Sherman? How about if we hired some retread gm on his 3rd job? You're just the most negative nagging poster I've ever seen.
     
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  5. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    I'd suggest going to get a real football pro to run the organization. Terry Bradway and Mike Tannenbaum have turned into sequential failures because they really weren't good football men. Bradway was a talent scout and Tannenbaum was an accountant. We're 2-9 right now. I want a pro who understands how to build a team, negotiate appropriate contracts and build a winning team.

    The Jets need to go find their Parcells, Holmgren, Cowher or Billick and hand him the team.

    None of the above would go more than one unsuccessful season before they started to show improvement in the organization and forward progress towards a super bowl berth.

    The amateurs the Jets have relied on over the last half dozen years have driven the team into the ground and the trend is getting worse, not better. It takes a major lack of talent in an organization to have the kind of results the Jets had in 2005 and are having in 2007.
     
  6. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Look, If I piss you off go ahead and ignore me. It's easy to do.

    As your bump of my 5 things thread shows I am FAR from a negative, pessimistic poster if there's any hope things will get better soon.

    I signed up in 2004 because I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt at that point that Bradway was driving the franchise into the ground. it took exactly one season for that to manifest itself and for Bradway to lose his job as GM.

    I started posting heavily negatively again at the end of the 2007 draft when I suddenly realized that free agency and the draft had really hurt the Jets moving forward. Even then I suggested they might win 7 to 9 games this season. It was only as I was doing my predictions for the year that I decided the Jets were likely to be a major disappointment and I soured further on them.

    I don't root for the Jets to watch them get kicked around because a team of amateurs has failed to do the prep work necessary to succeed. I have rooted for them for 37 years now despite the fact that the amateurs in the executive suite have far outnumbered the real pros. I don't give my allegiance to them unconditionally, they need to be at least moving towards the goal, and I get very pissed off when they drive off the road as they have this year.

    My negative posting is going to continue until the current regime is replaced or until they magically discover a formula for putting a good team on the field. Assuming they get replaced I will give the new regime a fair opportunity to improve the team before I sour on them.

    I never soured on the Parcells regime, even after Belichik stiffed them. I fully supported Parcells and Groh. I fully supported Herm and Bradway through 2001 and then I began to sour on Bradway because of the Moss tradeups and the Thomas pick. I went completely south on him in the winter of 2003 when he was getting pantsed by Daniel Snyder and the Jetskins. That was it for me and I knew he would never amount to anything as Jets GM.

    I never completely soured on Herm and I'd have been just fine if he stuck around with a new GM. I had my frustrations with some of his limitations but I did not see him as the problem on the Jets. I saw a lack of talent as the problem and that is the GM's fault.

    On these Jets there is a talent problem and a coaching problem and I'd be really happy to see Mangini and Tannenbaum and Bradway pushed out the door for good in the offseason. Not for an NCAA coach or a promising talent evaluator but for a proven NFL winner who comes in here with a firm plan and excellent firsthand knowledge of what works and what does not work in the NFL.
     
  7. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Yup we went up against one of the two or three elite teams in the NFL, one that is likely to win at least 14 games and compete for a SB. Yup it was the coaching. Herm took us to a bunch of SB just like he is with the Chiefs.

    The last time Herm had a SB contending team he quit on them in training camp and they went 4 & 12. That's the guy you miss?
     
  8. #1 Jets Fan

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    true BUT look at the injuries we had that year. COME ON we had to get Vinny to come off his couch to play for us. Tell me ANY TEAM that would have that much injuries would even come close to making the playoffs not to say SB
     
  9. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Herm had been working on his exit prior to the season, the team wasn't ready to play and that had an impact on the injuries. The team was fat, lazy and out of shape when they opened the season and most of the injuries happened in the first couple of games.
     
  10. #1 Jets Fan

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    ur a joke yeah Herm wanted all those injuries
     
  11. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Herm didn't want those injuries he simply wasn't focused on the Jets, he was focused on going to the Chiefs. We were out right run over in the opening game against them. The Jets were picked by many to be a SB contender and the Chiefs ran over us on both sides of the ball in game 1. There was no preperation.
     
  12. championjets69

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    Well it would be nice to think our owner would sieze the moment & go after Cowher buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut oops I forgot the money in his bank account is more important to Woody then winning the VLT
     
  13. nyjunc

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    That was one game, thenext week we came back and beat Miami and if Chrebet holds onto a ball against jax we are 2-1. That team was injury ravaged and never played as poorly as we did on Thursday.
     
  14. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    The team opened up 1 and 3 before all the injuries and we lost 30 to 3 in weak 10 and were shut out 27 to 0 in weak 11.

    We have been killed in two games this year both against elite teams who are far better than us at almost every position on the field and are playing for the VLT.
     
  15. JUNJOBX2199

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    Bite your tongue; Herm Edwards. You come out with some over the top stuff from time to time but this beats them all. We lost On Thursday because we were over matched in every facet of the game. If you really miss Herm Edwards then there?s a team in Kansas City that you are probably the only fan of the Head Coach.
     
  16. jmac6311

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    Playcalling

    That was horrible play calling on Thanksgiving. Obviously, Schott didn't have a lot to work with, but he has to be more creative. He ran the ball up the middle every first down with no success. After the first 6 or 7 runs up the middle didn't work he should've changed strategies. Maybe a screen or a playaction pass. Something that had a chance to gain yards, because the running game was going no where. I remember last year he ran a lot of 4 and 5 wides. I guess that might be out the window with the injuries to the receiving core.
     
  17. Clemens 2008

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    Glad to see a few of you coming around

    We need a real plan for a future not a Special teams coach and the lesser coaches that would be willing to work for him. With what we have been through it would make me really happy if we went after one of the solid proven coaches. Imagine Vermeil, Cowher, hey maybe even go way out there and throw the bank at Jimmy
    Johnson. I'm sure I'll get some negative comments on this post considering any hint of change from our current staff is obviously negative and not thought through.
     
  18. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    WTF are U talking about?

    The Vermont Land Trust?
     
  19. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Champspeak for Vince Lombardi Trophy.
     
  20. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    Perhpas that 10 to 15 year contract he was talking about in the other thread :rofl2:
     

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