Wow you need to get over brian leonard banging your sister. He had an average year, yes. But he's shown this season that he's capable of being a lead blocker
The Briggs signing is the only move, I'm not completely sold on. Briggs is an amazing player, but he's never played 3-4 OLB and Hobson's been good this year. For that reason, if I'm going to break the bank on a free agent this year, I think I'd do it for a corner (Asante Samuel?) or a guard (Eric Steinbach) before Briggs. I think what the Jets need is another speed rusher at OLB when can replace Hobson on 3rd downs.
It's really hard to find a speed rusher at OLB who is not just a much better all-around player than Hobson. If you're looking for a 3rd down linebacker you might as well replace Hobson because he's going to be the lesser option on 1st and 2nd downs also.
Offense QB- Backup type 3rd string,Draftwise im thinking Jared Zabransky or Drew Tate.Course this is whether Ramsey is cut which i think he should be.(Prospects-Drew Tate,Jared Zabransky) RB-Starting rb, leon is a nice change of pace type and Cedric is alright to but neither is starting potential, i dont really like rb by comitee rbs cant get into a flow like that.(Prospects-Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch) WR-Backup a big wr threat to go up the middle and a fast speedy burner type to go deep.(Prospects-Matt Trannon,Chansi Stuckey,Paul Williams,Darnell Jenkins) TE-Starter not a huge need really but could definetly be improved.(Prospects-Greg Olsen) O-Line-Starters for Rt and guard positions i say not really huge needs but our solid o-line has 3 spots that good be improved.(Prospects-Ryan Harris,Justin Blalock) Defense D-line-Starter, only one spot needed on that line with d-rob and ellis as very good starters , the problem is where d-rob fits best whether its the end or nose position the easier position to fill would be the end position, cause not many people can play that nose.If Woodley and Lynch arent there at our pick Amobi Okeye should be our pick.(Prospects-Amobi OkoyeNT,Adam CarrikerDE,Baraka AtkinsDE,Kareem BrownDE) LB-Starter, another pass-rushing guy to go along with Thomas would be great for the defense.Would also allow Hobson to go in the middle and team up with Vilma.(Prospects-LaMarr Woodley) DB-Starter at cb, we straight for now at safety but if Brandon Meriweather or Eric Weedle slip into the third we should grab one of them.We need another starter as much as i want Justin Miller to be that it seams that he wont cause he should of by now.Andre Dyson and David Barett are solid and we should keep both especially Dyson.I say pick a cornerback with the low 2nd round pick in the draft.(Prospects-Daymeion HughesCB,Antoine CasonCB, Darrelle RevisCB,Brandon MeriweatherS,Eric WeedleS)
Briggs will be franchised but even if he isnt he doesnt fit our defense he isnt a pass rushing linebacker. Id rather keep Hobson there.
What a surpise, This genius poster just 11 months ago wanted to keep Mangini for 10 to 15 years. Typical no patient loser Jets fans. Can you do us all a favor and go root for someone else?
first and foremost the RT position needs to be filled via FA, no point in wasting another high end pick on O-line second neone who is sayin the Rb position needs work doesnt have a clue what kind of a back TJ is, the o-line and fullback need to learn how to run block is all third the jets dont need another LB david harris and vilma in the middle r as good as neone, i say move bryan thomas back to De to help out there and have barton move to olb w/ hobson fourth the secondary needs major help, abram elam is not a starting safety by ne means and besides revis we dont really have a shutdown corner or a corner to keep up w/ top wr last get a wr, not really a top pick available at wideout so prolly acquire via trade or FA, if we take a wr in the draft we take Desean Jackson from cal, speed and athleticism to give us a true deep ball threat
If the 2006 Jets had had the offseason of the 2007 Jets and then gone 2-9 I'd have been screaming for Mangini's head after one season. How the Jets managed to have such a bad offseason compared to 2006 is absolutely beyond reasonable analysis. It's like the entire organization got hit over the head along about February 1st 2007 and forgot what they did right in 2006. A team with mediocre talent and poor depth managed to do all of the following in one offseason: 1. Sign ZERO free agent starters, giving one career backup a starter's deal in Kenyon Coleman. 2. Trade for a 28 year old running back, as if they were on the verge of competing for a super bowl and he was the last piece of the puzzle. 3. Trade-up twice in the draft, sacrificing two first day picks to grab players they considered to be "must-haves". The Jets had 2 picks in the top 37, 3 in the top 59 and 4 in the top 89 before they started wheeling and dealing like rotissierie coaches. 4. Trade away the best guard on the roster in a contract dispute, with no viable options to replace him. Do it so late in training camp that there was no chance to make a trade for another guard before final rosters were finalized. 5. Sit through yet another offseason with Jonathan Vilma and Dewayne Robertson both on the roster despite the fact that neither of them fits in the Jet's current scheme. Both had real trade value last year and could have brought more appropriate pieces for the defense. What the Jets did in the offseason last year just defies rational analysis. I continued to support the current regime until the moves got to be too much to handle. For Tannenbaum that was draft day. I wanted him out as soon as I realized he had no clue what it would take to make the Jets good. For Mangini it was about game 6 when I realized that he was going to ride the Jets right into the ground because he had no clue how to win in the NFL. 2006 was luck. It was a rare piece of good fortune for Jet's fans, but like most pieces of good fortune that we get it was limited and it died right away.
I don't know about Leonard...we COULD use a big fullback but let's not WASTE our picks if we can do better in FA
1. What did you love about the 2006 off season? They didn't sign any free agent starters did they? They basically improved by using the draft and taking current players and coaching them up (Cotchery, Rhodes, Thomas etc..). They signed Clement, Dyson, traded for Barlow, basically didn't do sh$t in free agency. They traded their only difference maker on defense for the pick that become Mangold. I agreed with this move since Abraham can't stay on the field. So far I loved that draft getting Brick, Mangold, Clemens, Smith & Smith and Leon. That was a deep draft and we found a potential starting LT, C, QB and a bunch of solid role players. It's still to early to judge those picks at this point it seems they got some quality players. Other then the draft and coaching players up the off season was very quiet. 2. They beat up on bad teams last year and got lucky. The media made Mangini out to be the smartest man in the world. But they were never that good. They beat up on the crap of the league and put together good game plans against the top teams to give them a run for their money. 3. They needed another solid offseason but they weren't going to spend 60 million dollars on an offensive lineman. To get good and stay in the NFL you do it through the draft. Otherwise you wind up in salary cap hell with no depth. 4. The core of the Pats, Colts and Steelers were built through the draft over the last 10 years with some cheap free agents. All three do it a little differently. a) The Colts are all about the draft. Almost their entire team was drafted. b) The Patriots built the lines through the draft, Mankins, Koppen, Seymour, Wilfork, Kazcur, Warren. They only signed one big free agent during the superbowl years and that was Colvin. He may have been worth the money but he's had lots of injury problems. Once the lines were in place they went out and spent draft picks and/or money to give Brady skill players. Moss, Welker, Stallworth, Chad Jackson, Marouney were not acquired until the lines were set in front of them. The core of the Patriots team was build through the draft and cheap free agents like Vrabel. c) The Steelers have 20 of 22 starters that were either drafted or undrafted free agents. The only two starters who have played for anyone else were Sean Mahan and James Farrior. 5. This past off season I do agree that the lines were overrated but I also didn't see much in the draft that could have improved the lines. I'm very much against spending a lot of money signing a veteran offensive lineman. We have plenty of money invested in Brick and Mangold and you can't have too much money in one area of the field. There were few front 7 players available in free agency that would fit our system. We overpaid for Coleman but I think he will eventually become a solid player. He has good size and speed and understands the position. Having a real NT and pass rushing linebacker off the edge would help out tremendously. 6. The this past years draft was incredible shallow. After about pick 55-60 the draft fell of a cliff. At the time of the draft I was really pissed that we traded up twice for a cornerback and a linebacker. We had plenty of other glaring needs. We needed defensive lineman badly. Now when I look back at the draft I realize there was no one there. We weren't going to take Alan Branch and no else fit our system. Carriker went before Revis, Anthony Spencer would have been a nice pick. The question is if we stay at 25 and 37 who do we pick? Do we take Spencer at 25 and Harris at 37? There really wasn't anyone at the end of the 2nd round to take with the original pick. Plus we needed another running back badly so it was going to have to be a first day pick or a free agent signing. Jones was a solid pick up and he should have another 4 or 5 years since he doesn't have the typical wear and tear of a back his age and he's in amazing shape. I believe the front office targeted quality over quantity since they realized the draft was top heavy. I'm sure people will disagree but Revis and Harris have top of the line potential and very few rookies that I have ever seen have played as well those two guys. So in a crappy draft the front office got a solid running back in Thomas Jones, and two stud rookies to build the defense around in Harris and Revis. They got two developmental players in Stuckey and Bender. I believe most nfl teams looking back at the draft would love to have Harris, Revis and Thomas Jones as opposed to the crap they may have gotten in the mid rounds. 7. I don't want to hear about Pete Kendall. We couldn't run the ball with last year either. It would have set a bad precedent to the rest of the team if they give him that money. He was not a long term solution. 8. What would you do with Vilma and Robertson? The salary cap hit from trading Robertson would be awful. If you tried to trade Vilma you would never get equal value and again you'd take an awful cap hit. Robertson is not consistent but he's proven he has some value for our defense and I expect them to keep him around and rotate him around the line if a) he restructures b) no one offers a first day pick for him. Vilma would be able to play in the defense if we had a real line in front of him. The Pats were going to take him if we didn't and when you have a player as talented as Vilma you find a role for him. 9. I had my issues with the offseason but I want this team built the right way. I don't want some cheap fix by overspending on free agents and winding up starting from scratch again. Kenyon Coleman is a nice player but just another role player. They are going to need to draft lineman early and often the next two drafts. If they don't improve the lines this offseason then I'll be just as pissed as you are about the current regime. 10. I know it's difficult to have any patience as a Jets fan. We all want to win now and rebuilding in NY is somewhat forbidden. You have to look at the big picture, in two offseason we added Brick, Mangold, Clemens, Smith & Smith, Leon, Harris and Revis. We have young solid players in Cotchery and Rhodes. Those are the the guys that this team is going to be build around. Brandon Moore has developed into a serviceable lineman. Pouha has improved his play as the year has gone on. They have a long way to, the front office needs to fix the lines. Mangini and Shotty Jr. need to learn from their mistakes, Clemens needs to get 20 games under his belt. All I know is that the current regime has me a lot more confident they are building something for the long term that will keep us competitive for a long time. I would much rather win 4 or 5 games the next 2 years if it gives us a chance to build a team like the Pats, Colts and Steelers.
Dreessen83, what do you have against Br4dw4y5ux? :lol: You basically bumped a thread from one year ago to blast a poster.
I'm sick of him complaining about everything. He posted today that he's had it with the current regime. 11 months ago he said that we should give Mangini a 10 to 15 year contract extension. This is what's wrong with the average Jets fan. No patience, living in the past, expecting superbowls today.
11 months ago Mangini looked like he was worth locking up long-term. Now he looks like one of the worst head coaches in the league. People don't recover from the kind of degeneration he has shown this year. Find me one head coach who regressed as badly as Mangini has from his first season to his second and turned into anything worthwhile longterm. If it was just a step back that would be one thing, but Mangini has basically fallen flat on his face in the mud. That does not happen to quality coaches. Maybe he should have spent more time on football and less time doing commercials and TV shows.
You're just a hater. No matter what the guy does you'll always hate him. At this point you'd prefer he failed. I doubt any coach or gm would make you happy. You should root for the knicks. I hear Isiah is doing positive things.
All of the second guessing now, but you didn't hear a lot of people complaining about these moves when they were actually made. The Jets got by with Leon Washington taking the bluk of the carries in the 2nd half of the season last year. We got Thomas Jones for almost nothing and was a excellent move. He hasn't played bad this year when we don't go away from him. Moving up to take Revis and Harris who are our best defensive players right now is VERY hard to complain about. This was right after the Pats got Moss. Our corners got beat badly in the playoff game last year. Robertson played well in the 2nd half of last season and after one season in the 3-4 defense it's very hard to just give up the talent of Jonathon Vilma. It's very easy to say now we should of traded him.
These points in particular are the most important thing any fan can realize. The Jets are begining to do things the right way. Running out and signing a big time FA would make us no different than San Fran right now. If we go after anyone it would have to be a big body on either line. Outside of that FA's cost too much for the return. We are not in cap trouble and build through the draft. Get the trenches set, then worry about cherry picking skill plyers. Alas, impatience abounds. Attempt to build for a quick one instead of the long lasting way.:breakdance:
The world is flat Dreessen; any new evidence to it being round should not change any opinions formulated on it being flat. I love it how someone so willing to accept a 2 – 14 season is quick to call someone else a loser.
What's the difference if we are 2-14 or 7-9? We aren't making the playoffs, we aren't beating the Pats. If we are ever going to beat the Pats again it's going to take a ton of patience. I actually think some of you enjoy bitching about the Jets. Makes you feel good in some strange way. I really don't care what their record is this year. I knew they were rebuilding from the start and when they won 10 games last year it created all sorts of expectation issues from fans like you. If all of you hate being Jets fans and can't stand the constant losing, the cheap owner go jump on another teams bandwagon. If you jump on the skins bandwagon you'll have an exciting off season of signing other teams players to ridiculous contracts. If you're going to be a Jets fan then understand what they are trying to build. It's not going to happen overnight. We are not even on the same level as the Cowboys or Pats on the lines.
