Pats -24 or so will definitely be worth taking if you can afford it. 70-0 is just not happening though.
i was just joking about 70-0 but dont be suprissed if the final score is 56-3 or 49-7 and im not joking about that
no defense is worse than ours when you let kenny watson run all over you its your own fault you are on the field the whole time... most of the the games the defense has been on the field is there own fault.. they cant stop 3rd downs and the coaching has been horrific... im not saying the offense is much better but at least they have us many leads this season that we have blown... thought he offense does go into a shell
I know better then most how bad we are but we won't lose that badly. We will lose but by no more then 24. Believe it or not the worst possible think Bellishit could do is try and run up the score against the Jets and I'm sure he knows that. In fact, that may be the only game all year where he actually takes Brady out.
good point--while we probably all hoped for a return to the playoffs this year, we knew it would be tough. I don't think anyone expected 1-8, and those who shrug it off as growing pains for a young coach totally miss the point. Nobody likes to lose, but anytime you have a team, players, coaches, or fans that "don't mind losing as long as we played our best," then you have trouble. Losing is situation that we as fans should never accept, no matter how long we endure it.
Go back & look at my posts all last off season when I constantly warned everybody on this board we had a team with NO talent & were heading straight away for the crapper
I totally agree with you. These guys are mostly Herm Edwards protoypes and aren't used to working this hard. Granted Mangini was able to sell his system for a year because he produced wins. But after the first few losses this year, it was like the sky was falling. The players were working hard and not getting the wins. One things for certain, Tannenbaum better make a lot of moves this season because I'm tired of this team slowly converting over to Mangini's system. I'd rather have them make lots of moves and suffer 1-2 seasons while the new team gels and see some progress. Vilma (as much as I respect him), D-Rob, Barrett, Hobson and Coles really don't fit the system either mentally and physically. I think at this point especially its time to cut many players and finally start fresh (especially on defense).
But also Curtis Martin remarked that the Jets will be fine (obviously referring to the next few seasons). Is there anyone here thats gonna disagree with Curtis Martin?
You say that every year. It loses its effect when your predict doom and gloom with each of your thousands of posts.
Herm has been gone for 2 years now, enough w/ the Herm excuses. Herm is having success in KC w/ less talent. Herm wasn't handed 2 ready to win teams. he took over in Ny w/ a team that hadn't made the postseason in 3 years and a team that had lost 6 of 9 to end the previous season. In KC he again took over a team that hadn't made the postseason in 3 years plus they lost a HOF LT plus another starting OL and a PB FB then lost their starting QB for most of the year. he made the playoffs w/ damon Huard playing most of the year. Mangini inherited a talented team, a team that a year removed was a kick away from the AFC Title Game and still had most of the same talent plus a few upgrades in various areas. he won 10 games w/ the talent we had a year ago, we are more talented overall today than a year ago(except on the OL thanks to mangini trying to be Belichick) and we are 1-8. herm was never 1-8 w/ a healthy team and for all the "lub ed" cracks about his camps we never ran out of gas in 4th qtrs the way this yeam has w/ a "tough camp". Herm's been gone 2 years now, it's time to look for another excuse.
I think your post is way off base. In fact, if I were to place the blame for this season's record, it falls far more on the defense than the offense. First, you are wrong about the defense and the fourth quarter - this defense has been run on, over and through in every quarter. This defense stops no one, never has a three and out, doesn't get turnovers, doesn't sack the QB, doesn't give the offense a short field, and worst of all it doesn't get off the field. When the defense gives up first down after first down, gives up 6-10 minute drives all game, makes every opposoing running back look like Jim Brown, and doesn't make stops on third down, that puts ALL the pressure on the offense. The Jet offense is pressing because it know the defense can't stop anybody. The Jet games are boring because we sit there and watch other teams march the entire field on the defense, not with big plays, but with 8 yard runs and 10 yard passes, and 6 yard completions on 3rd and 4. This defesne is the bend and then break variety. Holding the other team to a FG is a stop. Offense may be more fun to watch, but defense is what wins and good teams make big plays on defense. Other than the Rhodes TD on the Jacobs fumble recovery, has the Jet defense made big plays this year at all??? I can't remember any. When was the last time the defense picked the offense up and help an opponent after a turnover?? This year, every turnover by the offense leads to points.. This year, whenever Graham pins the other team inside the 10 with a punt, the defense not only lets them out of the hole, but lets them march down the field for a score. This year, a four yard rushing game by the defense looks like a good defensive play. This year, the other team is always in 2nd or 3rd and short. The Bengal game was the classic example. The Jets took a 23-10 in the middle of the third quarter. The Bengals scored three touchdowns on three straight drives after that. The offense had one 3 and out and a turnover in Bengal territory and when they had the ball again, there were 5 minutes left in the game and they were down 31-23. How is that the fault of the offense?? Case in point was the Redskin game, when even with Clemens at QB, we watched the same game we had seen all year - another team running all over the defense. Everybody in the stadium knew the game was over once the Redskins got the ball in OT. How can that be the fault of the offense? It's time people realized that Pennington's off year - his first - did not expose him or the offense, but exposed the defense as a unit that cannot carry this team. The defense stunk last year also, but it was Pennington and the offense that bailed them out and led the team to the playoffs. When the Jets realize that they have 4-3 personnel playing a 3-4, or that they need to replace John Abraham with a player that makes big plays on defense, or that they need a pass rush, or that they need a nose tackle to stop teams from running up the middle with such ease, then this team will turn around. Until then, you can have a great offense, but if your defense can't stop the other team, you don't win. The Bengals are a perfect example - Even with Carson Palmer and a bevy of explosive big play receivers, they lose because their defense stinks.
Just rebutting the facts here. The Jets made the playoffs in 1998 and missed in 1999 and 2000. Herm took over in 2001. That's two seasons out of the playoffs not three. Again rebutting the facts. The Chiefs missed in 2004 and 2005, that's two seasons. Vermeil's team that missed in 2005 won more games than Herm's team that made in 2006. The "excuse" (Terry Bradway) is still with us.
it was 3 years btw playoff apps, 2001-1998=3. again, 3 years btw apps. 2006-2003=3. bradway hasn't been the GM in 2 years, time to move on to another excuse. you guys whined and whined about the 2 of them how we'd be better off w/ them gone yet we are much worse off so far. Herm has a complete rebuilding job in KC and he's a game out of 1st place, we were expected to compete for the playoffs and almost completely healthy we are 1-8.
If it weren't for spygate, Belichick would lose to the Jets on Dec 16th to get a better draft pick. Anything to screw with Mangini.
There is no excuse. Herm took over a team in KC from a guy that lost touch. Had enough talent to go as far as they wanted. He made the playoffs with Huard because he had who else in the game? Plus the lack of footage always makes things hard for opposing Ds on a new QB. As for blowing up the OL, there's at a bare minimum 2 long term solidd players that were picked up from the draft. Kendall had to go. He wasn't a Mangini guy. I know you're a Herm lover and we could sit here all damn day and bring up conflicting points, but time will tell the ultimate story. Do you think BB's guys work less that EM's guys? No. Do you hear any of the Pats crying about TC? No.
