My Take: The end is at hand for Chad and others...

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by klecko73, Oct 22, 2007.

  1. klecko73

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    Before I start, let me do some housecleaning on a few issues...

    -The Jets are not a bad 1-6 team. They are in many ways the same team they were last year, but without the easier schedule and the "suprise factor."

    -Defensive personnel wise, they are clearly a team in transition. It takes time to move from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and we are seeing that. However adversity this year will bear fruit in the future for some of our players, most notably Rhodes, Revis, Harris and Thomas.

    -Offense personnel wise, the Jets are limited in playcalling by Chad's physical limitations. That 4th Qtr interception is proof positive of his inability to push the ball down the field, throw the out or win in less than "perfect" situations.

    -Coaching can only hide so many warts in talent. Last year, Mangini & Co. did a great job and were assisted by a weak schedule. This year, a much tougher schedule and raised expectations have not been met by higher team performance.

    Now the end is at hand for:

    #1 - Chad Pennington: Yes the QB gets too much credit in victory and too much blame in defeat. However his diminishing physical skills and limitations on the playbook make the Jets too predictable. Teams only need to defend 20 yards of field, hampering Thomas Jones' ability to make decent yards with 11 men in the box and smothering Chad's staple of check-down receivers.

    # 2 - Dewayne Robertson: Yesterday's performance maybe the single worst performance I have ever witnessed by a DT. Robertson was demolished by the Bengals line, most of it coming in one-on-one play. The Jets were gashed by a 3rd string RB and the Bengals did it by not even bothering to double team Robertson.

    # 3 - Jonathan Vilma: An absolute beast in the 4-3 defense, Vilma is both lost and overwhelmed in the 3-4 ILB role. He was a complete non-factor in yesterday's game, prompting the coaching staff to bench him in the 2nd half. This is not Vilma's fault - he was drafted by the 4-3 team which changed its defensive scheme last year.

    What to do for the Bills game:

    -Start Clemens over Pennington.
    -Start Pouha over Robertson.
    -Start Harris over Vilma.

    The Chad era is over as Clemens will start the rest of the year. Starting Pouha over Robertson may light a fire on Dewayne's ass. I would even consider putting Dewayne in at DE to see how his speed/size ratio may be more of an impact. Starting Harris over Vilma is a no-brainer. Harris at least can make plays, albeit 5 yards down field due to horrendous DT play, that Vilma is snuffed completely out of.

    There is nothing wrong with rebuilding - the Dolphins are in full-rebuild mode an so should the Jets. The sad thing about it, is this season and last should have been "switched"...but I guess we needed last year to wash the bad taste out of our mouths of what was the "Herman Edwards Wasted 5 Years of my Life" era.

    As for those whining about the Jets trading up last year and not drafting more players, Revis and Harris are going to be very good. They were well worth the move to acquire them - because we are going to need a great CB and ILB for this defense. This off-season I fully expect the Jets to put the cattle call out for beef on the O and D lines. If we can add a road grader left guard and upgrade at right tackle and draft big time beef on the D-Line, the skill players on this team can shine.
     
  2. namath4ever

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    Great observations. The only problem I have is you would have thought that after being manhandled by the Patsies in the playoffs last year on the O and D lines, the "cattle call" would have been put off in this last offseason and not put off til the coming one.
     
  3. Namath2Kolber

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    Put Mosley in!
     
  4. rillo

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    I hope we can keep Coles.....
     
  5. HardHitta

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    Agreed! They gotta give clemens the ball and see what he can do and definately should try Pouha at NT but i would leave Vilma in.
     
  6. fake_crs

    fake_crs New Member

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    How do you know the Chad error is over? Mangini call you yesterday?
     
  7. klecko73

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    I guess you were never a fan of "RIF" = Reading Is Fundamental.

    The title of this thread is "My Take: The end is at hand for Chad and others..." In case you can't figure it out for yourself, the comment "My Take" refers to everything that follows it. In this case "my take" also means my opinion, and as such, Mangini did not call me.

    So perhaps before you post another wise-ass remark, you would be better served by reading the entire post in question before acting like a jackass.
     
  8. Duk Dodgers

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    I don't think are troubles are all personnel. The coaching and FO certainly decided to learn the hard way that you can't fit a square peg in a round hole. I hate to admit that a talent like Vilma is making our team worst, but he is a protypical 43 MLB and he is wasting away here. If we can trade him for something at the end of the season that would be best for both sides but that isn't going to happen....

    The playcalling on both sides have been horrendous, this worries me as much as personnel. Why dial up one bomb then dink n dunk the rest of the day. Taking the occasional shot (not always completing, but just the attempt)is the saving grace for Chad, they would have to respect the deep game allowing the dinks to occur. The coaches inability to continue to take shots is a mystery to me, but then again much of this season has been a head scratcher.
     
  9. klecko73

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    The playcalling is limited by the personnel.

    -The Jets can't call bombs because Chad can't throw them. And yesterday's one play was an anomaly, because Chad can't consistently push the ball down the field.

    -You can call all the blitzs you want, but if you don't have to double team the DT, the blitz can be picked up. That is what o-lines are doing to the Jets, so unless you are willing to send 6 players time and again, it can't have an impact.
     
  10. brothermoose

    brothermoose Well-Known Member

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    What are you talking about? He's not going anywhere.

    Don't worry about that kid, klecko...he's been a chadite the last few weeks just for the sake of arguing...meaningless.

    Good take, except that I haven't seen anything out of Thomas that justifies 5 million/year. Maybe if we had Adalius on the other side?
     
  11. fake_crs

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    "The Chad era is over as Clemens will start the rest of the year." Moron. That sentence does not state an opinion. Your title and the body of your post are two separate entities. An opinion would be "The Chad era should be over, and Clemens should start the rest of the year."


    Get a grip, and buy a clue.
     
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  12. klecko73

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    Does it come naturally or do you have to work at?

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  13. MondayNightMiracles

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    I got 2 pairs of gloves.....:beer:
     
  14. fake_crs

    fake_crs New Member

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    I have to work at.
     
  15. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    H'mm your "easy" schedule comment really shows you have not analyzed the situation properly. Just check it out us & the Pats are playing EXACTLY the same schedule except that we play KC & TN & they play SD & Indy. So here we are sitting at 1-6 while OTH the Pats are sitting at 7-0 so using the schedule as a alibi as to why we stink this year it really quiite silly since if the Pats can move along so far at a 7-0 that means our owner, CS & GM should have INSURED we to can move along at the same speed as the NEPs since we have to compete with them to win a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP!.
     
  16. KOZ

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    Hey Captain Obvious, he was comparing last year's Jets schedule to this year-and it is indeed a tougher schedule this year.

    To try and say that we and the Pats have a similar schedule this year may be an argument, but did you ever think that the reason why the Pats is 7-0 is because the Jets are simply an inferior team compared to the Pats?
     
  17. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Sure I have only being posting for it seems like forever that we have a inferior players to the Pats & what is occurring this year just proves it to all those non believers of my posts including you. Hopefully you now see how low the quality of players we have compared to the elite of the league are. Hopefully now posters no longer hang to the "harder" schedule excuse as to why we stink this year since we & the Pats are playing more/less the same schedule
     
  18. KOZ

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    You're definitely onto something here, that the Pats have a better team than the Jets. I don't know how long it will be before the secret gets out.
     
  19. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Lets hope in Woody, EM & MT case it is sooner then later
     
  20. FatStupidLoser

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    While I agree it seems an anomaly, Chad obviously can throw it. And as well as I've seen any big-armed QB throw that pass. So the question is why it isn't done more often. The answer that Chad "can't" just doesn't cut it any longer. It's obviously not so.
     

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