We all like to jump on players after a loss, but the players are just executing the offense, defense and special teams schemes/game plans put forth by the coaching staff. Last year the Jets surprised the league with their offensive and defensive game plans, Phil Simms put it best, he said " The Jets reinvent themselves every week." Well that worked last year mostly due to a favorable schedule. This year the Jets are doing the exact same things they did last year but teams now expect it and game plan against it. I see nothing new this year, same offense and same defense. Opposing teams just look at game film from last year and plan accordingly. Jets basically have the same team as last year, but last year they had the element of surprise, this year that's gone and well we are seeing the results thus far. There are a lot of change threads out here, unless some sort of change occurs, which the CS has not done yet, we will get another chance to screw up the 4th pick in the draft.
Yikes. Can't say I disagree. We got soul murdered yesterday -- so, essentially, the season is already over. It's not just the CS though... we're not making plays. Guys are missing tackles, blocks are being shed, you know you really can't say that's the coaching staff. It's now a draft pick count down -- where will we end up? Picking 3rd, 4th, 5th overall.
I agree man. I need to watch the game from the TV view, but having been there I noticed the following: We called maybe 1 or 2 passing plays that had receivers going more than 20 yards down field. Jones was given maybe 3 opportunities to run the ball outside the tackles, and there was no room up the middle....so the CS decided, as many coaches often do, to stubbornly stick with their ineffective gameplamn instead of trying something different and see if it works..... Trent Edwards was not consistently pressured, as we again attempted to get pressure only with the DL and therefore allowed the rookie to get comfortable and make plays.....which in turn gave Marshawn room to run.... In the first half it looked like nobosy wanted to win this game...it was pretty crappy to watch, then at the half the Bills seemed to decide that they would try to win, while the Jets seemed complacent, and then, despite the game still being crappy, Buffalo scored enough points to win....
Do you realize that on top of completely contradicting yourself, your post makes absolutely zero sense? You cited last season's success on the Jets ability to "reinvent themselves" from week to week. Then you say that the Jets are doing the same thing this year (which I can only assume means "reinventing" themselves every week), but that we're losing because our opponents study film. That's the contradiction. The part that makes no sense is this: If we "reinvented" ourselves every game last year, exactly which game does this year's opponent study film of? Your focus on the coaching staff isn't wrong, but your logic and reasoning are scary inaccurate.
The people above you got what I meant, but I will make it clearer as I saw when I re-read how it sounded. What I meant is that they are not reinventing themselves, but rather playing the same defense and offense game in and game out. The game plans see to be the same for each team we have faced so far. I have not seen any new wrinkles or any attempt to exploit the other teams weakness. Last year the Jets got away with a suspect team by coming up with creative plays to move the ball. On defense they played the bend, don't break, and for the most part it worked. This year, terrible teams are looking great against us (Miami and Bills, hell even Boller looked good), I just attribute that to teams no longer being surprised by what they Jets do. For example, the blitz has been a non-factor this year, whereas last year it caught a few teams off-guard, most noticeably NE. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/01/sports/football/01green.html?_r=1&ref=football&oref=slogin
Is Mangini still the Man? well, this is my first post that is NEGATIVE towards this coaching staff... ...I gave them the benefit of the doubt, but now I have my doubts. The problem I have with Mangini is that he is not using his players to put them in the best possible position to win. He's got a bunch of 4-3 guys playing the 3-4 and he's been somewhat inflexible in making the necessary changes and adjustments. I don't see improvement, as matter of fact the defense is much worse than what I saw last year. I also question the front office. In the off season it was obvious to us fans that the team needed to either change style or change personnel. They still have no anchor NT on the dline. You can blame the players, but everyone knew we didn't have a legit NT. Our LB's are a better fit for the 4-3. Overall the team is a mis-match of talents and schemes. If a team cannot get ANY pressure on a QB, they will lose - no matter what. The Man-Genius has not found a way to get pressure on the QB with the players he has. He has not changes players or schemes, and this is unacceptable. gg
I agree the coaching staff and front office are to blame. However, I completely disagree with you as to why. Unlike last year, when Mangini had nothing to lose, this year he's not reinventing himself. He's coaching conservative, scared, boring. Last year: He went for nearly every 4th and 1. This year: He's punted nearly every time. Last year: They blitzed all game. This year: They're laying back. Last year: Chad threw the ball deep; this coming off surgery. This year: Chad's thrown maybe 2 deep balls in 4 games. Last year: Mangini was innovative and daring This year: Mangini is predictable and gutless Next year?
I agree with this post completely. The entire coaching staff has gone into a conservative shell. I don't understand it, but it is happening. The Jets don't scare ANYONE on offense, and defenses are taking advantage of it big time. The Jets have a weapon at RB in Thomas Jones, and they aren't using him. The defense isn't working for the scheme, and nothing is being done about it. When is something going to change? The Jets do have talent, but right now that talent is getting thrown down the shitter.
So what front 4 do you like with which 3 linebackers? Please tell me along with your scheme where the pressure will come from?
Yeah, it couldn't have anything to do with two undersized, underskilled lines. It couldn't be that our defense can't stop the run or the pass on a consistent basis. It couldn't be that our QB can't throw 25 yards downfield on a fly without it taking 4 seconds in the air. It couldn't be a lack of running lanes for our RBs. It couldn't be a total lack of pressure on opposing QBs. Nope, couldn't be that the players just aren't performing. It must be the coaching staff.
Basically the same team as last year, so what now, they all said forget this system? They all got dumb and lazy, every single week? The CS is not being very creative with their schemes, basically running the same crap as last year. They are not taking chances like they did last year. Teams know what the Jets will do and guess what, everyone including the sorry ass Bills are stopping us. We have talent at skill positions but we are not using anyone correctly. The NFL is not a fool me more than once league, we got away with that shit last year but you see whats going on this year. We are 1 or 2 lucky plays from being 0-4.
And that's the fault of the coaching staff? Could it possibly be that the one time we had someone behind center this year, his hands were tied because the CS wasn't sure if he could handle it? Could it be that the coaching staff realizes there isn't enough 3-4 talent available, and is trying to make the best of what they've got? Could it be that the offensive line couldn't block pee-wee leaguers? Could it be that, in the words of ollie, "Our defense couldn't sack groceries"? When life deals you lemons, you make lemonade. When life deals you shit, the only drink you can make is diarrhea, and it still tastes like shit.
Lack of performance by the players always falls on the coaching staff. Who the hell teaches these guys their responsibilities? I don't know what kind of argument you're trying to make here.
But if you don't have the talent to execute the plays, is that also the fault of the staff? If Shotty calls for a 45 yard strike downfield to Cotch, can Chad make that throw? If our OLinemen are outweighed by the DEs they're trying to block, and the LBs get penetration, that's on the coaching staff? If DRob is getting manhandled like he was yesterday, probably because he was smaller than the guys he was up against, that's the fault of Mangini? Sure. A CS sole responsibility is to get the team prepared for the game. But if you don't have the talent, it makes no difference. Does anyone believe Holmgren or Parcells could do anything with this team, as structured right now? Seriously.
Whatever it may be , fans got different opinions but what i see when i watch them play is the offensive line cant make holes for the runningbacks (Same as Last Year) they cant seem to be consistant enough against the pass on Defense our D-Line is getting man handled by even the worst NFL Teams which allows average NFL running backs to look like a Hall of Famer (Cough! Ronnie Brown) our linebackers are then getting pushed back then even further and when they do get to the runningback they always seem to get a couple more yards from a missed tackles , the corners (dave barrett) has had troubles alot but he's trying considering the corner across from him is a rookie who at times has looked good but when picked on more cant seem to do anything as cant barrett and our number 1 corner is injured and on limited playing time. Now for the coaching staff they have to be at blame aswell not just the players the fire our D had last year was all on blitzes we blitzed so many time after time last year during a course of a game that made us look good and force turnovers led by kerry rhodes and this year he's like a ghost out there rarely getting to the QB mainly cause the blitz calls have been called alot less and the playcalling has been much more conservative and thats led to our early down fall. I hope the CS gets it together and mangini if he's the coach we all thought which i still think he'll re-up and get this team out of the same old jets mode and into gang green mode and go at these teams with everything we got.
I guess that 10-6 record was just a fluke last year? Don't say weak schedule, there is no such thing in the NFL, just looks at the records around the league. We have talent at skill positions, stop acting like we have a team of losers, lots of 1st round picks on this team, they are just not being used correctly in the schemes the CS comes up with, and I do not know how to correct that, that's all on the CS. If you set a player up to fail, chances are they will. NE and other teams utilize the strengths of their players, we seem to try and make the square peg fit in the round hole...
The NFL as a league is weak and last year we played a very weak schedule. Which first round picks on this team do you consider elite NFL talent? This team is full of stop gap at best players particularly on both sides of the line. We have a long way to go to be an elite team. We have a short way to go to be a team that can compete for a 9 & 7/10 & 6 playoff spot. Name the great players on this team?
No. Clemens can. Yes. Play a FB, and a TE, use two WR's and someone that can throw. No. Tannenbaum. Sign a fat ass NT and Move Drob (whose play has been pretty good...) to DE.
biggs - who would play the 4-3 isn't the question or answer... ...we have no NT for the 34 period! guys, don't fight, both the players and CS are not doing there jobs...
We have a NT he just isn't that good. The fact is our team sucked against the run every year we were in the 4/3 except 04 and that was when we had a legitimate elite DE in Abraham. This team will not have a pass rush or stop the run in a 4/3. The only thing the 4/3 does is make Vilma and DRob better at the expense of Hobson, Brian Thomas and Harris.
