folks i posted up and down these boards this past offseason about rebuilding programs and how they usually take a step or 2 back in year 2 due to a variety of reasons..... Schedule, opposing teams scouting, injuries, veteran shakeouts, QB changes, etc etc...... all these factors play in to this thing. i was so tired of seeing the threads with 11-5, 12-4, etc without regard to what could happen to this team. beleive me the coaching/mgmt has to take some heat for poor scouting and personnel moves and also not being able to project our teams talent against the AFC big dogs - which right now is minor league compared to the NFL elite. the MOST important thing right now for this year is to make 2 personnel decisions - at QB and at OL. i could add a third with vilma but....... i posted 2-3 weeks ago that if the jets are 2-6 or worse at the 1/2 way mark its time to make the change at QB, bar none. CP can have all the 32 of 39 games in the world but with no down field threat the offense is not going to change at all with him in there. KC is getting good money so we have to find out what kind of stones he has. i'll take the 19 of 41 games with 1-2 ints as long as i see progress and the threat of a down field game. the OL is a serious mishap and its 1 injury away from a train wreck. that being said if ferguson doesn't improve this year he may need to be switched to RT and the jets need to bring in another LT - easier said than done. The LG position is a joke so its a slam dunk that a rich free agent guard will be in here come next march - if thats not #1 on tannys list than there is a serious problem. so those are the 2 things that need serious consideration during the rest of the reg season into the offseason. go ahead fire away and accuse me of writing off the season blah blah blah. i do not want to hear. i know good football and i also know "potentially" good football. we have neither and its time to think like a realist and not some rak rah ignorant fan. jil
The Jets have been rebuilding for 38 years. How much longer are people suppose to wait for it to be done?
This 38 year talk recycled over and over again is lame and unoriginal. You look like you took Champ's class of being a fan
If you are not winning you are missing something. If you are missing something you are rebuilding. It is anything but lame or unoriginal. It's a fact and only people like you can't see it.
jil, I'd agree with you if they actually appeared to be making an effort to rebuild. Rebuilding teams don't trade up twice on Day 1. I like Revis and Harris a lot but you stockpile picks and build for the future if you're going to rebuild, and you keep that going.
And here's something else to blow holes in this whole rebuilding thing. Rebuilding assumes you can keep your players when their contracts are up. Well, take a look at the Jets record of doing that since Johnson became the owner. Everybody wants out of this town as soon as they can get out.
Actually oline should be. The defense didn't play great today but if they weren't on the field so damn much then they would've looked a hundred times better. Our defense had to have been winded by the third quarter.
The defense was winded because it couldn't stop anybody the oline needs a new right side, the dline needs at least a NT and another dlineman, that is harder to get than the right side of the oline and therefore should be the top priority
Assuming the Jets stay 3-4, which I fully expect them to, then I agree about needing a NT... a massive one. However, we definitely don't need another DE, because assuming we get a NT, then we have 3 effective DEs in Ellis, Coleman, and Robertson. Pouha is OK as a #2. But o-line... we need 2 Gs and a T. And unless we can get a NT that is 340-360 pounds... I think the oline should take higher priority.
How can I not be surprised that this team lost to a rookie QB and RB? I know it's the Jets, and I said we're going 6-10. But this looked like a very winnable game.
There is no such thing as rebuilding, you can go from worst to first (and back) from one season to the next without having made more than minimal changes. Now as to not being surprised, I never was. Another season spinning our wheels with Chad had me disappointed from before training camp. I don't post in this forum much because there really isn't anything new to say. The pro-Chad vs anti-Chad argument has been run into the ground for years already, and until he's out, there really isn't anything new to say. The most excitement I've had in this team since the end of last season was when Clemens started against the Ravens, and that 4th quarter comeback. When KC was sent back to the bench afterwards. I knew we were choosing loyalty over winning again. Now I'm just hoping the inevitable change doesn't come too late to save this season. It would be nice to have some hope again.
Unless you want the same exact thing on defense next year as the garbage this year the NT has to be the #1 priority and I am not convinced that the other 2 doesn't need to be replaced as well. And we need a pass rusher that can actually get to the QB. We have way too many problems on this side of the ball for it to not be the #1 priority. A RT and guards can be found a lot easier than trying to find the pieces needed on defense
Indeed there is such thing as rebuilding, while it is true that you can go from worst to playoffs, in order to sustain that a building has to take place which is why a lot of the same teams are good every year
The problem is we do have the personnel we're just not using them right. Why haven't the Jets tried Vilma at OLB? He's not working at ILB, and we know Thomas isn't working at all really. Move Vilma to Thomas's spot and make Harris a full time starter. I don't care that Thomas just got paid, we need changes in order to win. Also, Pouha seems to be effective... why not move him into NT and move Robertson out to end in rotation with Ellis and Coleman, instead of putting Bowens out there? It's worth a shot no?
I for one am surprised. No way did I expect a 10-6 playoff team, that should improve on that over the offseason, to come into the next season looking like a 4 win football team.
Then we are razor thin at Dline by doing this, and as the game wears down our defense will get much worse and that is if we have no injury This team talentwise on defense just isn't where it needs to be yet.
