I was hoping Clemens would at least get some garbage time yards and maybe get a score up there for the hell of it. So where was the instant deep ball we've been lacking with Chad in there? Why didn't we just move down the field in a situation where most teams can typically at least move between the 20s? I mean, I hope Clemens turns out to be good, but all you geniuses who think there's a secret plan to turn the reigns over to him, what did he do? Even Jay Fiedler got a garbage TD in the 2005 opener at KC.
This is what I'm taking away from yesterday's game also. But Green Hornet makes a very good point. I think we quite possibly played the next SB champion. This was as well-balanced a team as you could ever hope for, one that will quite possibly make a run at a perfect/almost perfect seasonal record this year: 1) Probably the best QB in the NFL 2) Now stacked with WR talent up the whazoo 3) Decent running game (Maroney will only get better) 4) Big, talented, physical linemen that dominate both sides of the ball 5) Excellent coaching and individualized (week-by-week) game-planning 6) The best prepared team in the NFL at adapting instant, mid-game changes 7) A team that's been to the SB and knows how to handle that 8) Fairly good STs And they looked that good yesterday without two monster defensive starters. All things considered, my silver lining for today is that we were outplayed quite possibly by this season's best NFL team, period.
If the Jets and Pats traded QB's before yesterdays game, the outcome would have been the same. Chad (and any QB for that matter) needs a solid O-Line. Without it he is roadkill. Now where's my paper bag?
I dont know. Clarke was awful. What bothered me most about yesterdays game, was the lack of forcing the numbers in the power running game. We kept 5 TE's on the roster. We knew NE had loaded up at the WR position. to me that said two things. Play much Dime and/or Big nickel on D, and try to force feed our running game and the edge passing game (which we admittedly dont use....) to keep the Offense on the field and Brady & Co on the sideline.
Can you imagine ever saying this about the jets. Since 1969, thats about 40 years, we had most of these numbered above, but NEVER more than a few in any given season. I see nothing about the current team to lead me to believe we will have most of this list in the next 2-3 years.
This is not even a discussion , Pennington has done nothing wrong but go out there time after time and play good ball. The Offensive Line & The Defensive Line is just horrible right now , It was a great Patriots team and the first game of the season and as for Penny , He put great numbers up not his fault everybody else didnt feel like playing.
Dilfer - who did not stink - played for a team with the BEST or one of the BEST defenses of all time. He also had a HUGE Oline with a power running game. Yes, Chad could have won with that team - he's better than Dilfer. If we had that kind of team, fine. We do not. The Ravens were so strong and so deep on the lines and linebackers - you couldn't stop them. Additionally, none of the teams in the NFL at that time compared to the Patriots, Colts and Chargers to compete with the Ravens of that time period.
Dilfer had one of the greatest D's of all-time and a monster running...... but the Ravens still needed him to make a play or two with his arm to win games. He had to make teams pay for crowding the line and for one postseason in 2000 he made teams pay often. Saying we have less of a team, to me, shows how the Jets D and Line needs a QB that makes a lot of plays for us down the field and at the line. Not less plays, not no plays.
6 drives - 4 punts - 2 TDs. 14 points scored in 3 quarters of play (roughly). The game was over when: it took the Jets 10 pass plays and nearly a quarter and a half to *throw* the ball for more than 9 yards. A couple of catch and runs had gotten to 10 and 11 before that. Taking the 6 yard dumpoff when it's there is a great *part* of a gameplan but it's a lousy gameplan on it's own. It can make the QB's stats look great at the end of the game, I mean how many times do you incomplete a 6 yard pass?
No team has any respect for Chad. Teams line up and tee off 10 yards. The really don't need corners or safeties deep because they know he cannot make those throws, so all defenses do is lay back 15 yards at most and tee off or sack the QB. Come on you have to make defenses honest and that means beware of the deep pass. They will neverever respect dinking and dunking. Every team allready has a gameplan against(and lickin their chops) us and thats stay home and tee off. We need KC NOW! Lets keep the opposing D honest against the deep threat(he doesn't have to make every pass complete but he has to throw them nevertheless), and just maybe we can catch um off guard for a big run every now and then.Lets go KC! This is a no brainer, real simple.
I do agree that Chad has his limitation that will cost the team, but I have to question whether yesterday's dink and dunk was solely the product of his limitation. I think I have pointed this out in other post, but well. It takes time to develop a play - and his OL didn't buy him any. I'd say "Can him" if Chad had half the time Brady had in the pocket to survey the field but still ended up with all that dink and dunk all day. It's a wonder he didn't throw any pick under yesterday's situation.
Chad checks down to the safe throw way too often. He always has. That's not saying he's not efficient with the ball but theres a reason that the deep patterns in the Jets offense (and they do run them) almost never get thrown too.
For yesterdays game, I would have to agree with you. Chad didnt have much time so his only options were to dink and dunk but I also agree with the others that know that Belly will bring his db's up because he knows that Chad cant beat him deep. He can also blitz more frequently because he knows that Chad wont be able to take advantage of any deep 1 on 1 coverage. Here is an interesting question. Is Belly really a genius against the Jets or is he just playing the odds against a QB that he knows very, very well?
Here are the "secrets" of Belichik's dominance against the Jets over the years: 1. You can gameplan very effectively against a short chain offense that relies on getting five first downs before it tries to score on every drive. If all you need to do is break up one series and you get five tries to do it as the opponent moves down the field a good defense is going to break the drive up most of the time. 2. The Patriots are bigger and more talented on the defensive side of the ball than the Jets are on the offensive side. This has been true since they drafted Richard Seymour and signed Mike Vrabel, both in 2001. 3. Bill Belichik is a very smart guy and probably the premier defensive mind active in the game today. You don't give him 1 and 2 above and beat him very often.
Yesterday wasn't Chad's fault (by any stretch), but he is injury prone, let's face it. He is slightly less brittle than Glenn Foley. All good QBs have survival instincts in the pocket (Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Marino) - they are not quick or elusive yet they can avoid taking unnecessary punishment by sidestepping or simply going down Ken O'brien style. Other QB's (e.g. David Carr, Andrew Walter) have played behind atrocious, laughable O-Lines weaker than ours and yet somehow they are able to stay healthy and remain on the field.
I'm so sick of this nonsese that "we'll never get to the next level w/ Chad". We were a missed kick away from the AFC title Game when Chad had a torn rottor cuff. Chad is one of the best Qbs in the league when halthy and all he does is win. It's not his fault he's had a dynasty team in his division and that the AFC ha ben so incredibly difficult yet he always goves us a chance to win in January. He needs help, he is not a QB that will carry a team to a SB but as long as we upgrade around him he definitely can lead us to a SB.
