The JETS have two problems, OL & DL

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  1. supersonic

    supersonic Well-Known Member

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    We screwed up in the draft this year by not addressing the OL, period. It is just not powerful enough to be a good run blocking unit. D'Brick is a skinny, weak, non-factor in the run game and I don't see him acquiring the size or strength we will need anytime soon.

    The DL is simply undersized to play this configuration. 3/4 DE's are 300+ pounds and NT's are 350+ pounds. It is a shame that we did not pursue ANYONE with the size to play the 3/4 since EVERYONE on the DL is undersized.

    I have confidence that Mangini will get all he can out of this. But honestly, we just don't have the personel for the 3/4 alignment. On the contrary we have a very nice personnel for the 4/3. Anyhow, as much confidence I have in Mangini, I don't see this OL and DL taking us the SB.
     
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    Yeah i know....
    Like i've said before, I think they are the most important points on any team
     
  3. patsox23

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    I thought the jets were smart a couple of years ago when they drafted Brick and Mangold - as opposed to combining the picks for Reggie Bush. I still think it was the right move. The Pats have taken years to get two young solid lines, one on each side of the ball. Be patient, you can't just keep drafting OL every year.
     
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    I watched the game tonight and if it weren't for a few lucky breaks for the Vikes, I think it would have been a very good game. The Jets have a bunch of talent at the QB and RB positions, I wouldn't stress the Oline they will gel. The Dline is a question mark, but it doesn't mean they won't be a good Defense. I was impressed with the Jets tonight, I could care less about the final score in a pre-season game.
     
  5. Run_N_gun10

    Run_N_gun10 Well-Known Member

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    Total agreement as u know. I see how Jets' can fix offense. ADrien Clarke is an upgrade to the OL & somebody else will step up. Jets' will probally sign another OL or 2 before the week is out....coupled with FB - Darian Barnes & hard running Thomas Jones & quick Leon WAshington. Jets' will be able to grind out yards on the ground. Clemens will also add a passing demension which is absent as of now. Clemens is looking good & gaining confidence every week.

    Also...This may sound crazy to most but, I would use D'Brick as a 2nd TE, but always keep him on the field & line him up next to the LT....until he grows into the position. Jte's would be able to run to the left side with greater efficiency & the blitzing from the left side would be nullified.

    The defense....How can that be fixed. I've said all along, a 3-4 needs a centerpiece (buildingblock) to build around. That is the last missing piece to this Jets' defense. That 1 piece will make all the rest of the pieces fit. Look at Pats' ...Ty Warren, Woolfork, Richard Seymour. Thats a proper front 3. Pats' didn't get all of em' in 1 season. Pats' got a piece at a time. Question is....Do Jets' have any of there pieces yet ? I think D-Rob as a DE is 1 piece. Poauha as a DE is also another piece.

    I just came up with another solution for defense. Jets' would have to use bigger players at ILB's position. Like Klecko (the son) sized players . Small quick DT's that can also run around as ILB's. Players that weigh 260lbs - 280lbs, they would close those gaps up the middle in the 3-4 & contain the run. These sized players wouldn't be able to be occupied so easily by O-Linemen.

    Otherwise...its' wait til next year.
     
  6. patsox23

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    This is a silly, silly post. I'm on record here saying you shouldn't worry about one sloppy game. I really do think the jets will be fine. But to say "if not for a couple plays here and there, the jets were right there!" is unnecessary and, quite frankly, delusional. They were TERRIBLE. IT's not the end of the world, they're still a good team, but be a little honest. You were "impressed with the jets tonight?"

    Good GOD, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
     
  7. patsox23

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    And then a follow-up suggesting D'Brick as a TE????? Come on, people. You're better than that.
     
  8. fireguy404

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    The sky is falling, the sky is falling
     
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    (((IN STEREO)))
     
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    haha... the Jets have two problems: the offense & the defense.

    I agree. I don't think Pennington will play quite as boneheaded during the regular season and kendall probably won't be making snaps like he did today, if any at all. We also had a lot more penalties than I expected, hopefully which can be addressed. If we had been on top of those things tonight, I'm certain we would've won. The biggest issue we have is definitely stopping the run.. which is consistently a problem.
     
  11. Jetman36

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    Gentleman, yes tonight was ugly but realize this is PRE-SEASON. Honestly this all means absolutely NOTHING. Tonight was not encouraging but it is not a true measure of how the team will look on day 1.
     
  12. supersonic

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    It has nothing to do with preseason. We couldn't run block last year and we have not done much to improve it and it shows. We could not get a pass rush last year without blitzing and we were ineffective at stopping the run. We were too small last year on the DL for this scheme and we are too small this year. We will be good...but we won't be great until we meaningfully address the OL and the DL.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    And how does the game tonight change everything we already knew about the team? Hmm?
     
  14. RobA

    RobA 2005-2007 TGG.com Most Optimistic Award Winner

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    I agree, worst on D because we can't stop the run still. Why the jets didn't draft a big DT is beyond me.
     
  15. KOZ

    KOZ Totally Addicted

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    A couple of plays with Brick and Clement really stood out- I believe that it was on one of Chad's "TD" throws- Brick was badly beaten and pushed back while Clement was thrown about 10 feet back out of his stance.
     
  16. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    How could you possibly have been impressed with the Jets tonight. Did you watch a different game then everybody else?
     
  17. teamgreen

    teamgreen Well-Known Member

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    I'm more concerned with the Dline than Oline, althoug I agree we don't exactly have a dominant power-running Oline. But against the same defensive front that was #1 against the run last year, our 1's against their 1's, we averaged nearly 5 yards per carry so let's not overreact. THey shore up a few of those blown up plays for negative yards and we're averaging over 5 yds/ carry.
     
  18. Extremely good post. If anything the Ol was not completely horrible. In fact, on acouple drives, they were very successful. They were simply inconccistent. Whether it was due to Kendall/Clarke being subbed in and out, or Minny making adjustments, they either looked great or atrocious.

    The DL is iffy. D rob is really our only reliable 1st string guy. Ellis is a pretty good 3rd down PR, but he's lousy against the pass. What I will say is we have tried to address the DL spot..unfortunately there aren't alot of quality 3-4 d-linemen availble in FA or via the draft these days.
     
  19. vilmatic

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    Impressed is going too far, but I agree with the gist of his post. We were definitely up and down, but the way I see it we had three absolute gifts, then about three more self-foot-shooters, but we also had some excellent TE play, nice RB play against a good run D, some pretty nice short yardage defense and nice secondary play. I thought we had more good plays than bad. There's a lot to do and I'm not happy with our play, but hopefully it will be something that will force us to focus more.
     
  20. gustoonarmy

    gustoonarmy 2006-2007 TGG.com Best International Poster of the

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    Ah ha , thanks Koz, I was wondering who that was.
     

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