Trading out of the first round to acquire Doug Jolley? That's just the headline, there's more behind that. Not having three competent QBs in 2005? etc.
Overall he was a very good Gm and in case you missed it most of the talent we had on last year's team was acquired by him. He didn't ignore the OL, he acqquired Kendall, Moore, McKenzie then had some failed picks in Cavka and others but he didn't ignore it. That trade led to us getting kerr Rhodes, it was a GREAT trade. Now you have to have 3 Qbs that can play? many teams don't even have 2, we had 2 but both got hurt.
He was a solid talent evaluator and an absolutely horrible gm as far as trades and signings are concerned.
That just brought back bad memories. I still to this day have no idea why the hell anybody would make that trade.
That's right, junc, he didn't ignore it. He just didn't take it seriously. Kendall? He fell into our laps at the end of an offseason. Moore? The guy was a defensive tackle in college. McKenzie was the only 'serious' addressing of talent on the offensive line during a period of 5 years that saw us lose about 50% of the talent on that squad that Bradway inherited.
He was signed on August 6, 2004. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I don't consider such a date to be "at the end of an offseason." Once training camp starts, I consider that to be the new season. To me, the offseason ends the night before the start of training camp. As for the thread title, who milked Herm in the first place? No cows available?
That still doesn't make the trade any better. Kerry Rhodes was a fourth rounder so it's not like he was the focal point of the trade by and stretch of the imagination. If anybody knew he would be as good as he is he wouldn't have gone that late. In hindsight you can say that the trade worked out ok for us, but it still was a bad trade. Pretty much we got lucky. It would be like if we traded Coles for a 7th round pick that turns out to be Marques Colston. Yes we get a good player in return, but the trade would still be considered idiotic.
What bad trades did he make? That's b/c you don't understand what actually took place. We traded down 21 spots or so, got a vet TE, added later picks, still got the 2 guys we were targeting for the 1st 2 rounds AND w/ the extra picks were able to move up and select Kerry Rhodes. That trade was not a good one it was a GREAT one. Kendall fell into our laps- so that doesn't count? he signed Kendall, Morre and drafted Mckenzie- those are 3 solid starters right there. he drafted Cavka, Jones, Peko(who we foolishly let go), Goodwin(solid backup)etc.. He didn't ignore the OL. Take Kerry Rhodes out of the equation and it's STILL a good trade. The 2 players we were targeting before the draft were Justin Millr in rd 1 and Mike Nugent in Rd 2, we oved down about 21 spots and STILL got both players(1 at a reduced rate since we didn't take him w/ our original 1st pick) and we took ashot on a vet TE that had upside. Th trade was great when you add in rhodes but still good w/o him.
That's true, and I agree with that it was very lucky, but if I had the option of getting Rhodes through thats trade again, I would.
Same here. Kerry Rhodes is a pro bowl caliber player that we grabbed in the 4th round. If I knew that we would get that kind of player prior to the trade I would have been all for it. In the end it worked out pretty damn good for us. However, had we got an average 4th round player it wouldn't have been seen in the same light as it is now.
When you're talking about the offseason acquisition of players, I consider the offseason at it's 'start' at the beginning of the FA signing period. I may have exaggerated a little as far as the 'end of the offseason' bit but that's how it feels to me when you're signing a guy to start for you in August. junc, stop trying to transfer someone else's argument over to me. In the post you just quoted I already stated he didn't ignore the OL. But waiting until the beginning of preseason games to sign a grizzled veteran OLman who has a history as a lockerroom politician (and as we see with current developments his lockerroom politics were certainly NOT overblown in Arizona) is not exactly a proactive move to me. And being proactive when trying to find protection for your QB is what I consider to be ADDRESSING THE OL SERIOUSLY (which is what I actually said). Moore wasn't a solid starter when we signed him, and I'm not sure I'd even consider him a solid starter at this point, although he has his moments.
I am responding to mulitple posters not just the poster I quote, I address that first in my response but it's not just your quote that I am replying to. Of course moore wasn't a solid starter when we signewd him, he was a DT when we signed im and we oved him to offense. What is your point?
I'm not as down on Bradway as the next guy, but he absoluely ignored the OL in his tenure. He inherited one of, if not the the best OL in the NFL and allowed it to crumble. McKenzie was good, not great. Moore was a crapshoot project, and the day two picks didn't pan out. Kendall was dumb luck, and we only got him because of Mawae anyways. I didn't like trading up for Robertson PRIOR to the draft. Though I thought we got excellent value in the Jolley trade. To bad Jolley didn't work out.
