Just reading an article on DRob this morning. I've always been a huge supporter, despite the "not traditional NT" arguments that many held. It's an argument that I'll admit worried me, but this article this morning made me wonder: are we running more of a San Diego or 3-4 than a New England 3-4? True Jamal Williams and Vince Wilfork are both tremendously bigger than DRob, but in the SD system, it's really a disguised one-gapping 4-3 more than a traditinal two-gapping 3-4 and therefore the NT loses some effectiveness when he's too stationary. Think about Pittsburgh which also runs a disguised 4-3. Casey Hampton, I think, is the closest clone to DRob in the entire league and he's perfect for that role. Short, squat, powewrful, hard to move, but still agile. It's natural to assume Mangini is running a Belichick style defense, but I don't think he is. And, I'll call for it here, I think DRob is going to be perfect for this defense starting this year.
I think we are closer to the SD system. The defense started to switch between a 4-3 and 3-4 a lot more during the second half last season and I think that will happen even more this season. We get more out of Thomas and Rhodes in the 3-4 but more out of Robertson and Vilma in the 4-3, so I think a good balance will maximize the use of our defensive talent.
I think Mangini & Co. will review the film on opponents, and design schemes based on the strengths of his players, and the weaknesses of the opponent. :wink:
i belive Mangini?s masterplan is to have a D that can change from 43 to SD 34 to NE 34 play-to-play. And since DRob is powerfull enough to hold 2 gaps and take on 2 blockers, but still agile and quick enough to stunt and get a good inside rush, he?s the perfect fit for that hybrid-D.
I'm thinking that it'll be closer to the SD/Dallas system, but when they bring Pouah (sp?) or Haynes (i'm pretty sure he's going to make the roster), in they have the option to go with a 4-3 like look and feel
In terms of how I feel about the Jets D-scheme, I felt that Kerry Rhodes was single handedly responsible for keeping the Jets in all three games against NE last season. He was very impressive. If I were Mangini I would hedge toward trying to leverage Rhodes' strenghts above all other considerations of 3-4 vs. 4-3. He seems most effective reaking havoc up near the line of scrimmage with run and pass blitzing. This may sound far fetched but I really think Belichick recognized that and prompted him to go balls to the wall and sign Welker, Moss, and Stallworth. NE had no deep threat which allowed guys like Rhodes and Bob Sanders to just run wild in the mid field. I truly think Belichick went free agent crazy in response to the real threat NY and Mangini presented last season. It will be interesting to see how Mangenius and Dungy adapt to NE's new found vertical threat.
Last year we ran mostly the "true" 3-4 Belichik/Parcells version of the 3-4. I think that this was done intentionally to shock the team into learning it and getting proficient at it as soon as possible. Now with the familiarity of the "NE" 3-4, we can seamlessly go between NE 3-4, disguised 4-3 (SD), straight 4-3 or sub in Smith and Coleman at free safety and play a 6-2 look, or drop Smith and Coleman into cover-2 with a 3-4 look or straight 4-3. It should be interesting to watch, and confusing for opposing offenses. We will likely be a more dynamic defense thus year, but maybe a little more susceptible (sp?) to the big play.
I (We?) are so sick of hearing about the Patriots in any capacity at this point. I personally come to the Jets' boards to share with my fellow Jets fans insight and opinions of the team we love. Granted it is a free world and fans of other teams posting here sparks things up a bit, but as far as I'm concerned Pats fans most of all need to stfu.
whoa. I personally don't agree that Rhodes was singlehandeedly responsible for anything, nor that the PAtriots went out and got all those deep threats to combat him particularly, but it's a compelling argument and reasonable. I thought Sean's post was a worthwhile addition to the discussion.
Word, I do not see a problem with another teams fans if they are going to contribute in a meaningful way. Clearly his post was doing so. I wish people would lay off of him man, this place needs a few decent opposing teams fans. Edit: back to topic, I think Mangini made it clear that they were going to hybrid much more than last year. Clearly many of the players they have and brought in have been exposed to both the 3-4/4-3. So I think as much as the players being comfortable with the hybrid, I think the coaching staff is more comfortable running it. Meaning like another poster earlier said, Mangini ran the 3-4 predominantly last year so in later years he can run the hybrid. I just think that he values flexibility in game plans more so than any one system. Which is probably obvious given who his mentor was.
Why are you hostile? Do you just want to hear a bunch of pom pom waving yahoos? That's the reason I don't spend much time at the Patriots boards. It's all yahoo all the time. Opposing fans can bring some opposing views and objectivity. As far as you go, you're clearly a yahoo so just put me on some ignore list if there is one and I'll do the same.
Hey Sean, ever head over to the Titletown Brewing Company? Been there a few times myself... enjoyed the Johnny "Blood" McInally ale.
You're joking right? This argument may hold some weight over on the Dolphins board, but if you've spent any amount of time around these parts you'd see Jets fans are one of the most cynical, misanthropic collection of fans in the country. We may be introverted, but pom pom wavers we most certainly aren't.
I would agree to that to an extent. However, I signed up for this board in August of '05 the day of Ty Law's introductory press conference and the Yahoos were aplenty. Sure, there are resonable people and some not so reasonable people as well.
I exaggerated my hostility for the sake of some drama, but it was originally intended as a rebuttal to you questioning GreenMachine's sensitivity. My post came off a little more harsh than I intended and for that I apologize. However, your analysis of the '06 Jets which states that Rhodes was single-handedly responsible for what success we had against the Patriots last year came off as patronizing. We know Rhodes is a beast. I think our team has faired very well against teams with a vertical threat; it is the run and short passing game in which we have struggled. Hopefully, our D will continue the success over the last half of the season last year and pressure the QB more--None more than Brady. All in all I do appreciate your input but not more than I enjoy telling a Pats fan to stfu.
