I don't expect him to come out throwing lazers, which is exactly the problem. And unless my eyes lied to me, he had some zip on short/medium range passes until two shoulder surgeries... Am I mistaken? Like I said, the problem is not that I'm expecting him to come out and have zip on the ball, but the fact that I know that he won't have zip on the ball, barring a miracle. He's not winning us a Super Bowl. He's a stopgap fulfilling a 7 year, $62M contract.
This is complete BS. Every receiver in the league gets crushed now and then. Carson Palmer had Chris Henery and Chad Johnson get absolutley destroyed last year. Recievrs getting hit is part of the game. Lets not blame a dirty hit by Zach Thomas on Chads arm strength.
It's easier to catch the ball if it's not thrown too hard. When we used to have these rocket armed guys, we always had a lot of dropped passes.
why is it so damn important for Pennington to throw hard like Palmer, Manning, McNabb.... if he has his touch, his playaction, and his reads, he doesnt need a laser arm...he can have a great season without it...and hes already proved that once since many of you have such short memories queue the comments on his twice repaired shoulder
Abyzmul made the point earlier in the thread, and I'm going to repeat it, since I made such a big deal out of it last year. He can throw harder, but he needs to throw off the correct foot, which he doesn't. That's his style. He threw correctly early on last year, but after he took his first big hit, that was it. Here's the thing, if he can be the field general we all know he can be, coupled with an actual rushing attack, as well as his #1 and #2 WRs knowing where they stand (Cotch was still earning his spot early last year,) he'll be fine. This offense is built to do the things that Chad does right. Short passes, play fakes. Keep in mind, Chad has been complimented by Tom Brady and Peyton Manning for his ability to sell a playfake. With an actual running back who can gain 100 per game now, there will be more chances to run these plays, making Chad more effective. I'm in wait-and-see mode right now. By the end of the season last year, I was willing to give up on Chad and go with Clemmens. Now however, we have a true running threat. He needs a few weeks of actual action before I'm going to be willing to write him off. As for strong armed QBs, where is Culpepper right now? I think if you are going to argue arm strength, you have to look at the whole picture. Manning and Brady have strong arms, but they are also very intelligent QBs. It's the brains that matter, not the brawn. A "lazer rocket arm" is only as useful as the head on the shoulder.
I caught part of the Bears-Saints NFC championship game replay last night. One of the Bears TD drives was all Thomas Jones, he carried the ball seven times in a row including the TD and the Saints couldn't stop him.
Since his shoulder surgeries he is throwing as many INT's as TD's. He is not as accurate as he was pre shoulder surgery even though he still maintains a high completion %. He is much worse in the red zone and he is being picked off at a much higher frequency.
We play in the Afc not the Nfc. At some point in the playoffs he is going to have to have the skill to compete with the big boys. Do you have faith in Chad if we get down by 10 points midway in the third qtr of a playoff game and he has to throw to get us back in the game. It has ended ugly every time even before his shoulder surgery. What makes you think he will be any different now. It would be unrealistic to think we can shut down the Chargers, Pats, Colts and any of the other team we have to play in the playoffs two or three weeks in a row to get to the superbowl. At some point Chad will have to put 20+ points on the board and he has done nothing pre or post surgery to show that he can do it.
But Winston, let's not forget you are talking about last year. I submit this year could be a different story for a couple of reasons. All of your above (boldened) negatives are true, last year. 1) His shoulder has healed significantly longer now. He's had an entire offseason to condition it (as opposed to healing it and rehabbing). 2) Schottenheimer's schemes were new and difficult for even Chad to fully master in his first year. Chad's had the entire offseason to study and review what went wrong last year. 3) We had ZERO running attack and everyone knew it. Team's jammed the box, licking their chops for an INT.
Aside from being overly optimistic, I love what Thomas Jones brings to the JETS. He's by far one of the hardest workers out there and is praised upon by Mangini, which means a lot being that he's barely been with the team. Before each game even starts he will be respected by the D and taking the pressure off of Chad. Chad fakes to Jones up the middle and hits Leon in the flank for a 50 - yard gain...I can see it now.
Thanks for that info, I'll have to keep that in mind. The things you learn on here, let me tell ya! For serious? Well that's TWO things you learned me today! Was this a serious question? Chad's led quite a few fourth quarter comebacks, including last year, where he had no running game. Yeah, I have faith in Chad to do what he's done in the past. Well, considering you're wrong (see above,) I'll just chalk this up to a "forget I asked." Exactly what do you mean by "shut down" those teams? That's normally a term used for defense, and means that the defense has held the opposing offense from scoring. If Chad's now suiting up to play D, we're in a lot of trouble. Umm, let me ask you a simple question. Do you even watch Jets games, or do you simply go by whatever you imagine for your information? Because I'm pretty sure we're not watching the same team.
Lets go back to the last televised Jet Game. Jets get down to Pat's Chad has to throw and a close game turns to blowout because Pats are waiting for his fludder balls and Asante Samuel runs one back for the finishing blow. I also saw a similar game in Oakland when his shoulder was Healthy about five years ago. Do you think the Jets D will Shut down elite teams three weeks in a row in the playoffs because that is what we they have to do for the Jets to win. If not then Chad will have to put some points on the board with his arm. I also watched every game of his 17 T/d 16 Int 2006 season. Did I imagine that or did it happen? I also watched us do next to nothing against all the good defenses we played all season. I also saw him hang receivers out to dry all season with Fludder balls! When has he bought us back against the Pats in a meaningful game? I have faith for Chad to do what he has done in the past too. Get us a first or second round playoff exit. That is if the stars line up like they did last year and we get a easy schedule again.
This is what I'm talkin' about, baby! Do yourself a favor and go to TC and watch these two. You'll freak out because we haven't seen a pair like this in eons. Washington's speed and juking are downright scary to watch.
I like Washington a lot. He was really stepping it up late last year and even in the playoff game. Right before that lateral whateverthefuck that killed our drive, Washington was moving the sticks for us.
I'm hoping to get there. I would love to see these guys in action up close (that's what she said - Michael Scott). From the offense being run with Jones, Leon, Cotch, Coles, McCareins to Vilma and Harris giving nightmares to whoever comes up the middle on D. I wholeheartedly concur with a previous post or reply about Harris. I think he will be a huge impact on our D this year. Weeks 1 and 2 are a huge test for us this year.
i was at a jets, bills game back in 04 at the meadowlands. i think it was 04. anyway, it was before chad had the first shoulder surgery. it was the game where the jets had to drive into field goal range to win it. doug brien made the kick with 19 seconds left and the place was rockin! anyway, my point is this: it was 3rd or 4th down on that drive (4th if i remember correct) and chad pennington hit anthony becht for the first down. it was like a 15 yarder or less as i recall and chad threw it where only becht could catch the ball low and away and becht made a awesome diving catch. i remember thinking at the time and now as i recollect that i had never seen a pass thrown that hard and completed in person in my life. i mean this pass was SMOKING BIG TIME and becht made a incredible catch. now after two shoulder surgeries i'm sure chad's arm is not what it used to be but chad is simply a touch passer who throws just hard enough to get it there but i think if he wants to fire it, he can. however, this particular time i'm refering to in the buffalo game made me go wow at that time. who knows if he can smoke it like that now but he sure did that day.
