I think we're in a far better position than last year. The addition of Coleman and the healthy return of Pouha will automatically take snaps away from Von Oldhoffen and Hamilton. Both of them were consistently run over last year. Last year we might have had a good number of "guys," but we had no depth. This year I believe we have more quality and quantity, so I think we should improve. -X-
I'm really sick of this argument. The Jets stated in January that they are satisfied with using Robertson in the nose tackle-defensive end hybrid role.
I agree completely with you. I don't get why the jets are waiting so long to fill the glaring need at DT. DRob is undersized for the position and should be moved to DE. Last yr when R. Moore went in at DT the jets did a much better job stopping the run.
Rashad Moore weighs 8 pounds more than DRob. I tried to make the vivid point with the dump analogy. I still don't get the undersized argument. Could DeWayne's run stopping improve? Sure. Is he undersized? No!
Gruesome... On another note, it seems people won't learn. The guy has a great NT build. He's thick throughout, like a fire hydrant. Could he be bigger? Sure, but it's not as if he's small. -X-
DRob will be fine at NT. He aint the biggest, but in another year, he could easily be the best NT in the NFL. Mawai was a small center, but the best. This can and will happen with DRob. As far as Sione Pouha? Him and Bender are headed to the right side of the OL. Sione will never have the leg strength needed at NT to on take double teams every snap. At least not for another year or two. Look for him at RG/T by the 3rd game of the season. You just cant keep a 6'6" 345 pound semi healthy animal on the bench. If his knee cant handle NT just yet, look out RG/T becase here he comes Pouha.
Not really. Robertson has one last year to prove himself worthy until we can call it a glaring weakness. Our real weakness is guard, where Kendall may be leaving and Moore proved he gets pushed back on every run because he's soft. He'll maul linebackers, but he gets a slow initial push off the ball.
That may have been because Kim Van Hoelfen was the weak link and was taken out. Obviously DRob contributed to stopping the run with Moore at NT, while Kimo did nothing. Mangini knew who the weak link was and it had to be Van Hoelfen and not DRob based on who was kept in and who was taken out.
Moore sucked last year. A big body with very little actual football skill, and horrible stamina. You'll find this to be a trend with a lot of the "zOMG, he's 345lbs, lets bring him in!" type of players. 3-4 NT is not a very easy position to fill, and a big reason why more teams don't run a 3-4. Meanwhile, Robertson was one of our best players in the front 7 through the second half of the season last year. Ellis and von Oelhoffen were much worse.
Do you have some inside knowledge that no one knows about? I mean the guy is coming up on almost a full year of Rehab now, and there has been no mention what so ever of moving him to the O side of the ball. All indications point to the fact that he'll be in a pretty thin DT/NT rotation, along with a couple of our plethera of DE's that are a tad bigger... Just curious to know where this thought came from? Ellis
Honestly....Moore played ok to me & teams tried to run around him & not through him. Whereas with D-Rob, teams tried to run right through him & usually were sucessful pushing him off the ball with double-teams. Funny, I can't remember Mangini putting Moore at the NT & D-Rob at DE ??? That, thinking about it might, have been there strongest front in the 3-4. D-Rob, Moore & Ellis ? Why the Jets' aren't looking to re-sign Moore is puzzling to me. He was stoutest in the middle for them. It shows plainly on the tapes??? My thinking....Jets have 2 options : #1- Find a good NT & it seems that won't happen this season; Or : #2- Improve there OL so they can control the football & the clock, which keeps the defense off the field. Remember... the Jets' had played the Pats' even at 10-10 into the 3rd qtr. of the playoff game , until that turnover/lateral that was run back. With a better OL, Jets' coulda run the ball more & some of those FG's might have been TD's. That was the difference in the game. Maybe the Jets' will trade for Steelers Alan Fanaca, he'll be a free-agent after the season, maybe Steelers will trade him now to get something for him ? -Anyway, its imperiative the whomever the Jets' line-up on the OL...That they play stout, solid & strong & be effective. Then I can see Jets' beating some of these teams this season, cause they have a very tough schedule. The have the RB's, now they just need the OL to perform. If the OL performs well, Jets' can make the playoffs. W/O the OL performing well, Jets' won't make playoffs & will be lucky to be a .500 team.
I was watching the NE playoff game on NFL network a couple of days ago and I must say that D. Rob did play pretty good in that game. The biggest problem was that Kimo was literally getting put on his back every other play. Simply replacing him should make the D Line a whole lot better. You also have to take into account that there was not real viable option to replace D. Rob anyways. Sometimes you just have to be patient and wait for the right oppurtunity to come.
Seriously....Who are u talking too ? U need to be suspended. U have no respect for the ganggreen & the rules of this forum. U also have no respect for its members.
Moore was far from stout and the fact that he isn't even in the 2007 plans says enough. If he was that good, don't you think they would have signed him back for cheap? Don't know what games you watched, but teams ran directly past Moore all season. He would be decent when he first entered the game, but give him a couple of series and he was done. If the best front was with Moore at NT and D Rob at end, they would have stuck with it. D Rob was our best defensive lineman through the second half of the season, yet receives the most criticism on this board. At the very least, he was much better than Moore.
