Hey -- I figured I'd check in since we seem to have partnered with you guys on some deals... I have some thoughts on Ramsey from our side, but I used to follow the Jets pretty close when Parcells was there. My wife is a diehard Chrebet/Curtis Martin fan. I'm not sure how much of the new regime she can handle once both of her "guys" are gone. Anyway, with Ramsy you've got a real mixed bag. His greatest weakness is his decision-making. He holds the ball too long and has a tendency to do stoopid things under heavy pressure. He's durable, as he proved under Spurrier's ill-fated pass-happy regime (gee, how swell that turned out), but his erratic behavior in the pocket drove a lot of people in DC crazy. There's a reason Gibbs yanked him out for Brunell. What Mark brought to the table was intelligence, mobility and predictability with the football. He got injured and took some time to get up to speed with the new playbook, but, once assimilated, became preferable to Ramsey's youth. IF Ramsey can settle down and the media doesn't clobber him, you've got a great kid who is all heart. Nobody -- nobody -- questions the goodness of his character. But he's sensitive, and most here believe he will be CRUSHED by the Big Apple if he doesn't immediately perform. That, and the short leash may just do him in. He's never gotten a fair chance, it's true. If he could just settle in, he'll do fine. But if he has to prove himself right away or get yanked -- forget it. He'll try and do too much, make mistakes, be pelted with boohs, and it could spell disaster. He's smart, a great backup with potential. We really do wish him well. As far as the 6th round pick -- let's say that's win-win. As usual, we did our shopping in free agency but we could stand depth in the trenches. While the 6th may not be high, we've now got 3 picks and more possibly coming in compensation for losing Pierce and Smoot last year. You guys are our trading allies, so I just wanted to see how you guys thought about the deal and imagined maybe a Redskin opinion or two would fit in here. Anyway, the wife wishes Chrebet well but I can't say the same for Coles. He burned some bridges on his way out, but it turned out pretty okay for us.
Ramsey kind of reminds me of a young Testeverde. The only real knock on Vinny was his decision making. Hopefully our coaching staff can fix Ramsey's head. If they can, I'm confident he can be a productive starter in this league.
I reacted to this trade with indifference, and that's how I'm approaching Ramsey. No expectations. If he works out, great. If not, it was only a 1 year deal and we'll move on. If nothing else, it'll make a nice story in camp. But if we go into next season with him and Chad as our top 2, we're screwed. In reality, Brooks Bollinger is our most reliable QB on the roster right now.
Welcome aboard! Most of us here DESPISE Your owner and I'm sure a few of you guys do. While we'd prefer not to consider you guys bed fellows our recent history runs deep and because of that we are forced to eat crow from the same plate sometime in the future. That said, Great Post! Hope you decide to stay aboard and we'd like to hear from the wifey!!! :wink:
Ramsey is a career back up here, unless he shows incredible improvement. The Jets will still look for Cutler at 4. Ramsey just has a slow release, and has trouble making decisions to throw, resulting in (at least in part) the beating and sacks he's suffered at Washington. He is depth.... and nothing more, even though he may get some starts along the way.
Thanks. She's quite loyal to her Jets, and politely calls them her AFC team when I'm rooting for my 'Skins. Thank God we have Direct TV so we can watch both. I wish you guys got the stadium downtown. We fly in sometimes and want to go to games but getting out to the stadium is rough. You'd be surprised about how feelings toward Dan have changed in DC. Before Gibbs came back, Snyder was overager and dangerous. But since Joe's return, his quick action and desire to win have created converts. Our moves have been controversial everywhere but DC. Just look at how we met our needs this offseason. Randle El, Brandon Lloyd, Andre Carter, Adam Archuleta -- the list goes on. Now we're quietly going about acquiring depth. One thing is for sure: this ain't the ol' Redskins between Joe's first tenure and now. The league had better catch on quick or we'll surprise some people. BTW -- I really wish you guys well. I HATE the Patriots and tolerate the Bills (what a weird offseason they've had since Marv returned). The dangerous team right now in your division is the Dolphins. Saban is pretty clever, bringing in Mularkey and Capers. IF Daunte comes back strong, they have potential. I hope you beat them. But it's the Pats who REALLY piss me off.
For one, I agree that sitting at #4 if Cutler is available, we will strongly consider him. However, make no mistake about it - Mangini did not trade for Ramsey if he thought he was a career backup with no potential of shaping up into a starter. Sorry, can't convince myself to believe that.
I'm not sold on Ramsey, personally i hope he stays on the bench and the Jets make a move for Leinart, but getting a backup for a 6th rd pick, i can deal with
I believe Gibbs tried to accomodate Patrick's wishes. Ramsey wanted to go somewhere where he had the chance to start, so I believe you guys must have told him something to make him believe he had a legitimate shot. The kid has had a rough time; I hope he takes some snaps and has a chance to fit in. There's one thing I haven't seen mentioned yet and that's Ramsey's connection with Coles!!! That should bode well. And at least he's got a familar face to turn to in the locker room. Best of luck with that. And if you get the 31st pick in the draft for Abraham, I think you guys will develop fast. I would take Brick with the 4th pick and then go CB at 31. Trading up sounds like a horrible idea. Leinart doesn't seem like a franchise guy IMHO. Arm strength is a serious issue, much like with Pennington. The last thing you guys need is Chad 2.0.
I would think cool heads would wait and see which QB falls from the tree now that the Saints have Brees. Rather than stir up the pot, that ought to calm everyone down. Either Cutler OR Leinart will be there. I can't see any desperate moves to climb up one spot. I guess it depends on how you view the Manning trade in NY. I'm surprised there isn't more of an outcry on the boards here to take D'Brickashaw Ferguson with that pick. When I first heard of the Ramsey deal, my thought was, oh, finally, they're doing the smart thing.
Oh my God, an intelligent Redskin fan. It's like a miracle. You should stay here. You're probably smarter than a good 80% of the people who post here as it is. Visit the BS section some time, too.
maybe i am just jaded from the Jets handing the reins over to QB's who are either past their prime or never had a prime ex. Tony Eason, Boomer, Browning Nagle, Neil O'Donnell just name a few. I'd rather see them make an aggresive move to get a guy like Leinart who can be the Future of the franchise. instead of hoping to catch lightning in a bottle with Ramsey
Ramsey is nothing more than a "rental". He's here to keep the seat warm for whomever we draft at QB this season or perhaps even next. Atlanta thought they could pick our pockets. Perhaps they thought they were dealing with Bradway instead of Tangini. Who knows... Anyway, Ramsey is far from "The Answer" here so don't fret for us. His biggest concern is to win the starting job from Bollinger, have a great single year, and parlay that into a starting job w/lucrative contract somewhere else. Hopefully, he realizes this and doesn't get too upset when we draft either Cutler this season or Quinn next year.. Welcome aboard btw! Great to read a post from a rival fan without it being infected with trollism..
Thanks for making me feel welcome. I wish you guys well and am happy to share my perspective on my team. A lot of crazy ideas get thrown around about Danny, especially around free agency. You just have to remember we've become the defacto Yankees of the NFL. Lots of people be hatin' on us, but as usual there's a lot more to it than that. Here's to a great 2006!
If Chad cant go, then i'd be fine with Ramsey keepingthe seat warm for Leinart, Cutler or even Quinn. but if they think Ramsey can be "the guy" then we are in trouble
First of all, welcome to TGG. Great first couple of post, as well. I agree with you. The Ramsey deal does not mean that we will not pick a QB, however, it enables us to look at other positions if Leinart and Cutler do not fall to us. However, I do not think it's a given that both fall to us.
Right. A few people have mentioned that he's in the last year of his contract before he's an unrestricted free agent. I'm guessing you'll sign him to either a one-year-deal or put a poison pill in a longer deal that will allow you to part ways. Let's be real. Ramsey needs to prove he can start or he will end up a career journeyman. What he needs to happen is what went down with Kitna this year. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Kitna becomes his new hero. Harrington, bad. Kitna, good. Ramsey is on the edge, about to become one or the other.
To echo another, yeah, a smart Skins fan.... most of the Jet fans here have been getting pretty.... well, let's just say that I have concerns about what the kids are being taught in high school around here. Only their spelling is worse than their opinions on the Jets and Terrel Owens! I always felt Ramsey got the short end of the stick in DC, but this is now two highly regarded coaches that never liked him. Are BOTH of them wrong? I have to think not. COULD Ramsey get better under a QB coach like little Schotty? Yeah, but I still want to draft Leinart or Cutler. Ramsey is as risky as Pennington is, IMO. Very savy of you to mention the WSS.... you have a future in politics! No wonder yer from DC! LOL! Oh..... D'Brick maniacs? We got a million of them. Hang around, You'll see..... I lump them in with the Vince Young and Marcus Vick people. (That ought to get 'em riled up!)
To be honest, I felt the Raiders, if anybody, ought to have been interested in Rams. Why, you ask? Because there are a lot of similarities to Collins i.e. a cannon arm better suited to a vertical game. What style of offense will you be playing, BTW? I haven't heard that mentioned. And -- big drum roll -- are you people buying in to the new Utes in charge? A west coast style offense ain't gonna work with Patrick. He's not Tom Brady either. His worst passes are short touch balls, screens, etc. On the other hand, he's got a RIFLE for an arm and courage under fire... I'd imagine upgrades at wide receiver are in order, eh? Haven't heard much on that front. Whoever you install as your QB, he'll need some weapons pretty quick.
Good point. I haven't heard much about our offensive philosophy either. I know what he did in SD but our offensive makeup is alot different than what they had. On a strange note - we now have 3 different QB's with 3 completely different style. I wonder how that will factor into our offensive coordinator's scheme?
