I would advise you get Direct TV, so you can see all the NFl games. Your really really really Overrating L Coles, and underrating alot of Wrs, that Coles couldn't hold their jock straps . Time to take your jet color glasses off .
Hey jeaux, remember all of those 5-wide sets the Raiders were going to destroy the league with? You're not allowed to tell anybody they have made a laughable statement because laughable statements are all you make.
Listen Raiders do have alot talent at Wr, alot more than Jets. Due to bad offense system and poor blocking design on oline last year, no wrs were going to look good. Still did you see me put any raider Wr in top ten.(honestly regardless of talent its what have you done ) Everyone can make excuses(wow my QBs Chicken ARM Pennington). Sorry but who the Qb is, does play a hugh role ,if you are a top ten Wr. (no matter how good wr is he still depended on qb getting him the ball) For example a WR can have five steps on a DB, and what good is it, if the Qb can't get him the ball. L coles proved he is a number 1 type reciever in this league, just not a top 10 reciever.(probably in 15-20 range)
I don't think you're off the mark on your comments about Coles. In fact, I'm not sure he's the best WR on his own team anymore. However, you are sadly mistaken if you think the Raiders have better players at the WR position than the Jets. Coles and Jerricho Cotchery are easily better than the Raiders starting tandem. Also, Brad Smith is a better reserve than Fumblin' Morant.
Off last year stats , i don't have an arguement, but Raiders two starting Wrs(J Porter- was deactivated for pretty much every game ) and R curry(Raiders were just careful coming back from same injury) didn't get a chance to put up the stats last year. Can't make a fair comparison as neither started or played as much as theyn should have. Both are great fits for kiffens offense. J Morant 6'4 220 4.4 is a bigger Jerry Porter clone. Yes Morant had a fumbling problem, but that had more to do with being deactivated for first 12 games. Tough to play last four games and get up to use to contact when you haven't had anything in twelve previous weeks. Don't fool yourself this guy wasn't number 1 reciever prospect in Nation coming out of highschool.(made mistake to go to Syracuse) for nothing. Raiders have so much WR Battling for that third WR behind Curry and J porter. (already mention J morant) Lets see Travis Taylor, Mike Williams only 23 years old (excelled in same system he ran at USC), and Doug gabriel. alot of speed burners, Johnnie Lee higgins, Carlos Francis and Will Buchanan 6'3 185 (fastest player at USC including Reggie Bush- was very impressive last year in preseason). There is so much compettion at Wr in raiders camp that these Wr better bring their A game because if not theresa good chance your not making the roster. Here is a nice article explaining situation I talked about. http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_6005116 honestly before last year, you wouldn't have even argued who had better Wrs. Again with a real offensive system Lets see how they comapre after this year.
By this rationale, shouldn't we see fumbles galore in Week 1 every year? There's never an excuse for fumbles. If one cannot hang onto the ball, one should not play.
No last time , I heard there is a training camp and four preseason games to get use to contact. Fumbling Problem is the easiest thing to correct. see Tiki barber. Brad smith is not even a polished Wr Yet and hes better than raiders fifth or sixth Wr- doug gabriel.
Regardless OF J morant fumbling problem or not(there is no guarantee hes third Wr), I didn't see you address my counterpoint why Raiders Wr are better and much deeper group than jets.
The Raiders have more numbers, but whichever two ultimately start are not better than the Cotchery-Coles tandem. Cotchery and Coles are tough football players. Porter is not. He goes through the motions. Taylor is a wimp (relatively speaking). Mike Williams is a dog until further notice. Higgins has a chance to be good.
1. Marvin Harrison-the silent killer. 2. Chad Johnson-the loud and proud skills guy 3. Torrie Holt (i personally hate putting him here, but his numbers don't lie) 4. Larry Fitzgerald-just needs Leinart to develop and he will be great 5. Andre Johnson-just needs the right fit. I think with Matt Schaub his production will go way up. They still need to address that weak OL. 6. Terrell Owens-should be higher here, but he led the NFL in dropped passes last season. Still a great combo of speed for his gigantic size. 7. Reggie Wayne- Man the Colts are really good 8. Steve Smith- he should also be higher, but injuries kind of hurt him. He didn't seem like the same guy who has the MVP 05 season. 9. Laverneous Coles- if he only had a QB that was worth a damn. Nah just kiddin. Coles still has it. I look for him to have a nice year. 10. Roy Williams-has never had the QB to realize his potential
Curry and J Porter are better than Cotchery coles and they will prove it. J Porter - Champ Bailey calls one of the toughest Wr he has faced in NFL. Porter not only will go over the middle but has the ability to get deep. (has abused your own andre dyson bad over the years) If you saw some shots this guy has gotten up from , you wouldn't question his toughness. Again Porter playing for a contract next year and hes going to have a very big year. Its tough to go through Motions when your on the bench deactivated. R curry 6'2 220 is probably Raiders best WR when hes heathy. THe guy probably the slowest Raider Wr speed wise, but he get seperation from defenders, faster than any Wr on their roster. He does this with his point guard skills he uses to get to the basket. Very Quick feet and ability to cut on a dime. Very athlethic wioth tremendous hands. Doug Gabriel was probably patriots best Wr before they released him . (more due off the field issues) Jets Two starting Wrs are not better and like most positions on jets, they have no depth. One injury and they are in big trouble.
You can spare me the introduction to Porter. I've not only seen the majority of his catches in the NFL (I have Sunday Ticket, so you don't need to also tell me to get it), but I also saw him in college often because I'm a West Virginia fan. Curry has ability, but he has a ways to go before we can label him as a top notch receiver. As for this idea that Curry and Porter will outperform Coles and Cotchery is this just like when you said the Raiders would beat the Chiefs in Week 16 and like when you said the Raiders would beat the Jets in Week 17 and keep them from the playoffs and like when you said the Raiders would go 11-5 in 2006 and like when you said the Raiders offense would be better than the Colts offense in 2006 (http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=339271&postcount=71) and like when you said...?
I know it's not the point of your statement, but there is no way in hell Porter is tougher than Coles. I don't even need to bring up the turf toe thing again, but Coles takes some SERIOUS hits nearly every game. Mostly because: 1) he's not a pansy like most WR's in the NFL and will actaully go over the middle and 2) Chad's lobs usually require him to either stop his route short and get laid out or leave his feet to make the catch, opening his body up for big hits
Joe Horn? Maybe 3 years ago TJ? The guy has a top 5, possibly top 3 QB throwing to him and along with arguably the best reciever in the game opposite him. Johnson is always going to have AT LEAST double coverage, leaving TJ all by himself, and Palmer is gonna drop it right in his hands regardless of whether hes open or not
L coles I already explained why he is not a bigtime reciever. To be consider a big time reciever in my book, you have to catch more TD passes a year than he does. Curry dosen't have a ways to go he already proved when healthy, hes Raiders best WR. Only question can he stay healthy. J Porter because he playing for a contract next year expect him to have tremendous season next year(JMO IM leery of giving him contract extension and would let him leave after 2007 season- J Morant replaces him. Lane Kiffin couldn't draw up two Wr's more perfect for his offense than R curry and Jerry porter. Raiders not only have great size for WCO offense but the hands of wrs are alot more consistant this year. I do expect jet Wrs to put up better numbers than raiders starting WRs. Not because they are better , but because Raiders have more options on offense. The Rbs will catch about half of all the footballs in Raiders passing attack. I can't believe Jets didn't bring in more depth at Wr. There are alot of position on Jets that are hurting with lack of depth. That eventually might be their downfall in 2007, as they get one injury almost anywhere ,and they are in serious trouble.
Regardless Of whose the tougher Wr, You hit on key point why I would take a j Porter over L Coles. Coles leg hasn't been healthy in sometime(dosen't have the same speed he possed at one time) J porter at 6'2 220(Kiffin wants him at 212) with 45 " vertical jump body can take the pounding alot better than Coles going over the middle. Raiders last year rarely if ever threw slant patterns or ask their WRs to go over the middle. Raiders have so much size at Wr Curry 6 '2 220, J Porter 6'2 212, J Morant 6'4 215, Mike williams 6'5 235, Travis taylor 6'1 , d gabriel 6'2 215 and all those Wr's that can go over the middle.(not to mention more reliable hands) all are verybig targets for a QB to find. Last point correct me if Im wrong. IS L Coles a happy camper. I remember reading that he wasn;t happy. J Porter is the opposite of what he was last year- Happy. More likely he just playing for a big contract and thats why attitude is alot diffrent this year.
1 - Chad Johnson 2 - Marvin Harrison 3 - Steve Smith 4 - Torrie Holt 5 - Andre Johnson 6 - Randy Moss 7 - Larry Fitzgerald 8 - Roy Williams 9 - Reggie Wayne 10 - Javon Walker C'mon guys, cut the crap. Terrel Owens, Chris Chambers, Lee Evans, Anquan Boldin, and Plaxico Burress are all better than L. Coles. And they are not even in the top 10. Coles, right now, is in the same category as D. Driver, J. Horn, Rod Smith, D. Jackson, H. Ward and T. Glenn. By the end of next year, Braylon Edwards and T.J Hush are going to surpass this group of old receiver along with Santana Moss if healthy. That being said, I love the Coles and Cotch tandem. I was all for bringing Coles back to N.Y and I am very happy with his production thus far. Watching the Monday Night miracle on NFL network the other day clearly shows that Coles is not even close to having the speed he had coming out of college. In that game against the Phins, every time Coles got his hands on the ball, he was just blowing by guys and weaving through multiple defenders. He no longer can do that. Right now, he does all the little things and plus he has a good partner on the other side in Cotch. L. Coles is still a very good WR, but by no means is he a top 10 WR in this league. At least not anymore.
