That's a graet article, hydro. Love the stuff you bring to us; it's exactly what I've been looking for and unable to find. Sadly, the Carriker bit makes me think him falling to us at #25 is going to be a pipe dream, but oh well.
Soliai is an interesting prospect. He is a converted OL who started off in JUCO because of poor grades, he also had some issues with the coaching staff, so he doesn't sound like someone the Jets FO would be interested in, but still interesting nonetheless. If he drops a bit I would take a flyer on him, seems like some good upside and those Samoans always seem to have good strong bases for line play. I'll be interested to see what kind of numbers he puts up at the combine.... Defensive tackle Paul Soliai is a player we've written about all season long. It looks like the Utah prospect is ready to grab some headlines at the Combine. Weighing 338-pounds, Soliai has steadily run his 40's under 5.00-seconds, getting as low as 4.92 on several occasions. He is expected to complete over thirty reps on the bench this weekend. Why is a talent of this magnitude not rated as high as some would think? In a nutshell, smarts, or lack thereof. Soliai did not have the grades to enter a I-A program out of high-school and was forced to attend junior college. There is a concern that the terrific results he will turn in during the physical testing at the Combine will be offset by a poor Wonderlic score.
Man baamf, you're all over it today...I was focusing on the same guy from the article...Was thinking he could be exactly what we need...who cares if he's dumb... Coach Mangini: Just stand there in the middle and don't move Soliai: OK Koach! Vilma: Wow, look at all this room to move around! TGG: Good thing we didn't trade Vilma-he's a beast! He seems worth a flier on his size and strength alone...could end up like Titus Adams or Ted Washington...only one way to find out and we're desperate cause there's not a top 100 DT bigger than D-slob available in this draft as far as i can tell.
As long as the guy's coachable, I don't really see there being much of a problem. I mean, it's not like the guy needs to learn intricate passing routes or run blocking schemes. He's just gotta get his fat ass to take up as many OL as possible.
I don't care, let Woodley fall more and more......fact remains I haven't seen a pass rusher produce more than he has ON THE FIELD in this draft last year
Didn't know that about Ramirez, but I thought he looked OK in the Senior bowl. Despite his size, he was still able to pull and get turned upfield on runs to the outside. If he's actually better than what he showed, he'd be a second round absolute steal. He got beat by Okoye with a spin move, and Okoye tried it again. Ramirez ran him up the field that time. That was during drills. With this news, heck, he might fall into the third. I'd take a shot with him in the third round for sure... even though Patella injuries are scary.
I thought the piece about Trent Edwards is pretty interesting. A high talent QB hurt by a crap team around him that is very tough, strong, strong armed and accurate. Jay Cutler anyone? Also not a fan of the Michigan guys, but I never was. Branch is a monster, but Woodley and Hall are both meh to me. Woodley has been great in college, but I don't know how well he projects at the NFL level. I like him, but not before the third or even fourth round. I like Moss, Spencer, Moses, Abiamiri, Moore, and even Jacob Ford more for their pro potential. The piece on Soliai is interesting. He's ridiculously physically gifted obviously. I'm not so sure why he's dumb because his grades sucked in HS, so did mine (I'm in a JC) and I doubt anyone I know would call me dumb. I'd like to know a little bit more about him, maybe hear how an interview goes or something.
How come these players that are "better" than Woodley as pro prospects couldn't out produce him on the field last year....I mean if they project to be better than him at the next level, surely they should have been able to dominate in the "minors", right?
I didn't say they were better. I said I LIKED THEM MORE and that they PROJECTED better at the NFL level. And no, thats not exactly true and we see it in every sport everyday. There are many guys who produce great in college but their production goes down in the pros. I like Woodley as a player, but not as much as those guys. He lacks the explosion, size, and speed I want in an OLB. Does that mean he won't be a good player? No. Don't you wonder why these guys who didn't "dominate" the "minors" are pushing past Woodley? It's because I'm not the first or the last person to have these same thoughts about him. Production matters, and I'm the first person to say that when I evaluate a guy. But when you're evaluating a PROSPECT, you have to think about how they look in the FUTURE at the highest level. The guys I named didn't "suck" by any means, and are bigger, stronger, and faster than Woodley. That matters to NFL scouts who are projecting for what these guys might do in the NFL (given coaching, training, the right systems etc.), not what they did in college.
First of all I said you said "they were better as pro prospects", not that you said that they are just better.....and yeah I know it happens all the time, but Woodley is just a damn good football player that I want us to get alot.....he may not be all that fast, but he is big, strong, ferocious, and he is definitly explosive since he racked up so many sacks and tackles for losses last year.....believe me I like some of those guys too that project to be better, but don't let numbers that don't mean shit when you suit up and line up head to head as a FOOTBALL PLAYER on the field change your opinions of a player so drastically....not just you, but everyone, even the pro scouts do it way too much IMO...... Production is way more important than numbers and it's not even close.....there are way too many examples of productive college players slipping and turning out, suprise suprise, productive in the NFL, than workout warriors who haven't acheived all that much in college turning out great in the NFL......and examples of those are not even close as well
Theres examples of busts and greats all the way around. Its why you mix scouting and statistical analysis. Woodley to me is a guy whose numbers look explosive, but he played with one of the best, and biggest D-lines in college football. I wouldn't mind Woodley, but there are quite a few guys I like more.
Ok point is though, there are way more examples of awesome players in college who fell in the draft due to combine numbers succeeding in the NFL than vice-versa.....do you disagree with this?? Woodley is a guy who IS explosive if you watched the games man.....not just his numbers make him look explosive....I have seen him play, the guy is a beast and I am happy he is slipping, because it seems like our FO is more about getting tough and proven football players.....I think we got a chance at stealing him
I don't disagree with him being a steal. I just think to be a real steal he'll have to be drafted late, because physicall he's nowhere near someother guys.
Sorry this isn't related info but...... I can't start a new thread until I get my post count up. per Rich Cimini's blog, the JETS have resigned CB Hank Poteat to a 1yr. deal.
huh? ok, he might not run a 4.6 forty, but he is one of the most physical players in the draft. you dont have to be fast to be a good football player.
exactly....the guy is a tough, nasty dude with a nice skill set for a pass rushing 3-4 OLB.....most importantly he is a good proven football player
