Morning folks.... enjoyed the playoffs and gonna watch the bowl figuring the colts will take it and good for them..... brings them that much closer to the end of their winning cycle. i do not see them turining into a patriot like dynasty - though as long as manning is around they will be playoff contenders for another couple years or so regarding the jets - so far a quiet offseason which is good news unlike last year. looking at the draft i get the feeling that the team may be very close to being able to target those few players in the draft that they absolutely have to get, almost regardless of their postion (i.e. - WR) the present roster does have some depth in spots so they can almost "ignore" some areas without it coming back to bite them in the ass. point is with 3 clustered day one picks i can see the jets trading up in the 1st round and/or down in the second round to get that guy. a talent that would make an immediate impact at a certain position such as RB, DL, or even WR. i have not really seen the mocks or know much about the prospects but there is plenty of talent to choose from and once free agency is done they should be able to get starter caliber talent the first 2-3 picks. the positions i look for to be focused on in the draft are DL, RB, WR, and CB. looking forward to april jil
I see players falling to the Jets spots and the Jets NOT trading up but, playing the Game the Pats do of trading down and aquiring more picks... A Bunch of the OL in this draft took a hit at the SR bowl and are falling a bit, I can see grabbing at least one in round 2. Me, looking at the draft today, I'd be Thrilled if Carricker was available at 25 (I'm doubting he will now) and then grabbing a RT and OG with both 2nd round picks.... BEEF..... Where is it? To me, screw the playmakers - Stepping back, looking at the Jets I see a 3-4 Defense without the BEEF in the Middle and I see a finnesse Offensive line lacking considerable BEEF to run the ball..... You add a RT and OG and a MONSTER DE/DT with versitility and then lets see what these coaches can do.... I think the players we have now would be THAT much better - Leon Washington would be better, Johnathon Vilma would be better on and on and on. Maybe add a FA here and there or hit a playmaker later in the draft and either way, if you Add BEEF and build both lines, then Next year you go after another playmaker or two. To me, the Beef on the lines is what makes the playmakers become playmakers. Cotchery, Coles, Houston..... let them play.
You are underrating playmakers and overrating coaching, to beat the best which would include the Patriots, there are only going to be small opportunities in the game that present themselves and only the best players make those plays. Like they say "I need horses to win the race." and right now we are short of those right now. Although quite honestly I think we can make moves to improve both our lines and improve our playmaking ability, we shouldn't be shortsighted.
I'm just disagreeing WHEN to get the playmakers..... I know we need them. I think the biggest wekaness on this Jets team is the lack of Beef on both sides of the ball... They can't straight up run down anyone's throat consistently and they can't straight up Stop a good Running game... To beat the best you have to start there... Jets made a step in that direction last year but, need to put a major stamp on it NOW. You build solid lines then you add the playmakers but, you have to start at the lines and our lines are piss poor Weak trying their best with smoke and mirrors and there's little depth where they were lucky injury wise last year.....
I think this post is right on. Build the lines. We already have some outstanding "playmakers," we just need the lines to make them "known playmakers."
Good thread. I am not sure we really, really need a WR, though. DL (poss. NT), CB, and RB are good choices, for sure. I, too, think we should also focus on the OG position, too. One thing is for sure; we have far less problems this year as opposed to last year at this time. Sigh of relief!!!!!!!!!!!
Think the need is definitely on the Defensive side of the ball. Our offense put points up during the year but was always playing catch up against the better team they played. We were very fortunate that our Rookie Offensive lineman were able to transition quickly (There was some growing pains). Protecting Chad is covered; next we need to open up some holes for the Run Game. I would rather pick up a guard in the FA Market; someone with experience who could anchor a spot. On the defensive side I believe we have the personnel to run the 3-4 but Our line backers who can drop back in coverage and switch up their alignments were unable to because they were filling gaps or assisting on certain plays . Lets go out and get the blob to fill those gaps and this should allow our backers to do more free lancing in the back field like the Brusci's and Vrabel's. (By the way I don’t mean blob in a bad way)
I like the idea of building from the line out but feel we cannot afford to stretch for a pick just because that is the position we need to fill. Say NG is position of most need and a potential great RB or CB or WR drops to the 26th pick (Marshan Lynch, Ted Gin Jr., Leon Hall) I say take him and worry about the NG with the next pick. The draft is not a hard science and I think it hurts you to get locked onto one position.
I could see the jets trading down aslong as they can get a guy like DeMarcus Tyler or Jarvis Moss in the even later 1st and early second round, as long as we can stock up picks in later rounds im up for it. Also does any one know if their is a limit of how many draft picks u can have?
I have never heard of such a limitation, AFAIK you can wheel and deal all that you want. The only picks that you cannot trade or acquire via trade are the compensatory picks....
The goal of any team is to draft the BPA or be able to move down in order to acquire more picks....The better teams actually excute that plan as is obvious. I hope the jets can do these things, one of the more glaring examples of this is when the pats drafted wilfork after having ty warren and seymore...BPA..if the jets have the luxury of doing this, it'll allow us to be competitive over time and never have a glaring need, just an opportunity to plug in young cheap talent
I kinda like the idea of whats going on here. As far as I see, we could move up or down in the first round and with that first round pick, I'd like to see them go D-Line with it. I'm a fan of getting Turner in here, but for a first round pick, I don't think I'd do it. I am however a big fan of getting him here. It also depends on the Market for him. If it's just us and G-Men... Drive the market up and bail... let the G-Men over pay, I hate that team anyway. As far as our needs... I'd like to see them addressed in this Manner, I think i have the # of first day picks right... though I could be wrong. 1) DT 2a) OT 2b) RB 3a) CB 3b) OG / DE Something along those lines would be how I attacked the draft... not any particular order... but thats Just me though
I agree with your philosophy in that the building of both lines is not yet complete. The Jets need some big bodies particulary in the middle of the DL and the right side of the OL. However, I see Tannabaum making several moves on draft day, just like last year, adding a pick here and there or perhaps trading up or down depending on what player falls. I have no problem with him selecting a 'playmaker' i.e. a RB or a fast WR if the right player is there.....
Absolutely. I'm sure Tannenbaum is smart enough to know this too, but last year, we sure seemed focused on drafting D'Brickashaw Ferguson no matter what. I've thought about this, about the fact that we passed on Matt Leinart even, and the conclusion I come up with is that our needs were so apparent (and so dire) that we couldn't stray from the initial Master Plan, that of securing a LT to protect Chad's blind side. We even followed that up with securing a terrific Center in Mangold. But this year could be different, which is why I agree with this post. Yeah, we need the obvious help in some of the positions on both lines, but this year we might have the "luxury" of remaining looser than we were last year. In other words, should a BAP (best avail. person) come along, we can take him. Tannenbaum knows this and will act accordingly, IMO.
The Jets draft was pretty need driven last year. A LT, a center and a QB to groom. I think the draft will again be need driven, but with the luxury of going BAP if they have a player that is clearly higher on their draft board than a need postition. I understand BAP, but I think it's also somewhat over rated. By that, I mean just how much seperation is there between any given BAP and the best available position of need? On a 1 to 10 scale, let's say they have an OLB with a 8.7 ranking, and a 3-4 type DE at 8.5. They are ranked pretty closely. We could use a pass rushing OLB, but we REALLY need that DE (or maybe NT). Then I think need overcomes the BAP philosophy. Now, if that OLB is ranked a full point higher than the DE, BAP becomes the way to go. I just don't think that happens very often. Usually players onthe board will be ranked pretty closely. That's my guess, anyways. As far as getting a WR, it would be nice to get one this year, but not as needed as other positional players. Having said that, waiting on a WR isn't a great idea either, since most rookies need a year or two to develop unless they are an exception to the rule, but that's fairly uncommon. WR's like Rice, Meachem and Bowe are guys I think will need some time in the system. I'd still love to get a RG that can really run block. Until we either draft or sign a RT, (or resign Clement) we have a huge question mark there as well. I'm wondering if they want to move Teague out there, or if a kid like Blanton might be ready. Oh, to be a fly on the wall right now at Hofstra....
Nice a whole thread filled with good thought out posts..................hooray. I just want to piggy back on some of the good comments that were made. The FO has to improve the trench players (Oline/Dline) that is the glaring weakness on this team. That is also the one area that the old regime pretty much ignored ( i.e. let all of our young talented O-line players walk in Free agency and not spending enough top picks in that area.) Albeit they spent two picks on D. Robertson. Almost all of the top teams spend their 1st or 2nd round picks on the lines and perhaps fill in another position player when and if possible either later in the draft or if the BPA is just that much better than what is left. Personally, I think this FO is/will do "it" the right way. Of course that is judging by the first draft with only a 1 years resume. I think they earned the benefit of the doubt this year.
I'm with Miamipuck that it seems that our biggest needs seem to be the OL/DL. We have a good nucleus on the OL after last year's draft but we could use an upgrade at RT, maybe even RG and need to start looking for Kendall's replacement. At receiver I like the trio of Coles, Cotchery and McCareins. I also like that Brad Smtih could offer if utilized properly. RB is an area we could upgrade though I like the combination of Houston and Washington. I think if the OL improves then these two can be a very good duo. Houston was supposedly a top back if it weren't for his thyroid so it would be interesting to see what he can do with a full year and Washington should get better and be a great change of pace back. TE may be a need since the only really good TE we have is Baker. He definitely needs to be utilized more though. On D, we need someone across from Ellis, maybe and someone to help against the run. I like our LBs though we could use some depth, and of course we might want to upgrade at CB though if the line improves that would help here too.
I'll go with the "where's the beef?" guys also. I'd like to see 3 first day picks going for offensive line, defensive line and maybe a big linebacker. Other priorities that I see are RB and DB. I like Barrett as a second CB, however based on the evidence Mangini does not. In that situation it probably makes sense to draft somebody he does want to put out there, because Miller is not the answer at the moment.
