Glenn pt 2..

I think Curtis Martin would be an excellent choice to run the Football operations. His intelligence and character is respected in the league and among players. However, that would be Woody giving up the power he craves and unfortunately, I don’t think that’s gonna happen anytime soon.

 

Mike McDaniel is now fired as well. Some coaches in play-offs are still in danger. But Glenn is safe. Only Woody...

 

Fire Engstrand today and offer McDaniel whatever he wants.

 

I'm pretty sure Curtis Martin doesn't even like football.

 

He shouldn't be sabotaging the Jets. He's a piece of shit. Defending this is absurdity. You always have the worst most ignorant takes.

 

I'm down on the Jets just the same, but to actually tell a QB to not come to the team is something I've never seen in my life from a reporter. I don't care if he's right about us sucking, that has no bearing on the future and he's still a piece of SHIT. Fuck him.

 

I WISH that were actually valid! He could die tomorrow but would we be any better off with Chris running the show...Brick? It's the ENTIRE family! Unfortunately, the Epstein Files offer a more concrete and speedy solution than does his death. His death kicks the can down the road and could take years to happen. Billionaires have the best healthcare in the world! I guess he could pick any street that Ice happens to patrol. I hear they're blowing people's faces off for doing nothing. They might find a limo an enticing target. No, unfortunately, the Epstein files would ensure the ENTIRE family is removed from the equation.

 

It would be interesting to see if one of the reputable offensive coaches shakes out somehow, where we can hire him either as an OC and demote/fire Tanner or as a QB coach and assistant head coach. Our offensive CS right now looks awful. Tanner's stock is way down now, where if he gets canned no one would give two shits. QB coach was always a joke. And Scott Turner, who was with the Raiders and Commie when the sucked ass, was oiur passing game coordinator, where we were the worst in the NFL by a wide margin.

If you ask me Turner and London need to be fired yesterday. How do you keep QB coach and passing coordinator after we just had the worst performance in the NFL by a wide margin and a historically bad one? It's a joke really. Tanner could also go, if there is a chance to get a reputable OC, but he is harder to judge, so if possible I would keep him. But we need to revamp offensive staff, it's a total joke right now, where I legitimately think offensive prospects/players want nothing to do with if they had any say, and some do.

 

But it does, OG...absolutely it does have bearing on the future. I'm a vociferous believer in, "Past performance is the clearest indicator of future performance." Hell, if you are in the financial world, you LIVE by that mantra!

So, as far as people telling this kid, or any other kid for that matter, they should avoid the Jets like the plague only have that young man's FUTURE in mind. I mean, drafting Dante is a "Yay, great for NY Jets fans, they drafted Dante Moore!" However, if you are Dante Moore's "camp," poor ole' Dante Moore, his career is over before it started by being drafted by a team where 9 out of 10 QB's drafted end up off the team by year 4 and out of the NFL by year 8 or 9. No 20 year career for 9 of those 10 QB's!

Let me ask you this, if you KNEW a situation existed, that you were going to be forcibly placed, was so bad that odds are you would end an already short career, would you do it anyway? I KNOW what I would do but think on that a second...

Let's set some factual parameters first:

1. NFL careers, on average, are 3.3 years long, 4.4 for QB's
2. NY Jets have NEVER drafted and coached up a long term QB. MOST would say Pennington, a Rhoades Scholar, was basically NFL ready when he walked through the door but even he only played a short while in the grand scheme of things
3. Over the 15 year playoff drought the offense has ranked no higher than 22nd, outside one time where it crawled to 10th in 2015. Of the remaining 14 years they've ranked in the bottom 5 on offense in 8 of those years
4. The NY Jets CURRENTLY employ a RB as a QB coach and have a HC that more than likely will be fired during or immediately following the 2026 campaign

Let's be clear about the draft, when a kid gets drafted by a team, they are FORCED to play for that team or not at all. Sure, you can sit out a year and re-enter the draft but that's a year you aren't getting paid. Better to stay in school, if you have the eligibility, pull down $3 or $4 million and take a swing the following year. Not like a kid can just say, "nah, I'm not playing for that team." Now, to answer my own question above, if I was getting ready to be FORCED into a shit show, I would personally use every tool I had to avoid that at all costs. Why in the hell would I knowingly place myself in a situation where I was, more than likely, going to come out of it worse than when I went in? History tells us this is what usually happens when coming to this team and I'm not talking ancient history. The NY Jets just put up a season for the ages where many of these records will NEVER be broken. That is until NY isn't happy with it's current standing and tries to break their own ineptitude. Although, I guess you can't get any worse than zero interceptions for a year, but then...that's defense and we're talking about the offense here.

A final note: Yeah, the Raiders and Browns are a mess too but, you know what? I'm not a FAN of either of those two teams and could give a shit what they do etc. I will say this, the Raiders and Browns haven't stunk up the joint since their inception. The Browns have over 12 division titles, the Raiders 15 and the Jets 4. See where I'm going here? The ODDS are either one of those two teams will "turn it around" before the Jets. As well, BOTH of those teams are looking for new head coaches and will probably land someone the Jets can only DREAM of landing. Shit, I'd take the guy the Browns just fired all day long and twice on Sunday to what we have in the building now. Oh, and Pete Carroll...fired after ONE year! So, clearly, it can be done it's just our shit for brains owner, who thinks money = intelligence, couldn't get out of his own way and all that combined = no QB SHOULD want to come here. It's a no-win situation as I see it.

 

Eh…I think we sabotage ourselves honestly…if you don’t want media types talking shit about you, then stop doing stupid shit and put a better product on the field. I’d look inward instead of outward here.

And from a personal standpoint, I actually like this…if this is the kind of shit it’ll take to slap Woody in the face then I’m all for it honestly.

Bring it on! Let the outcry get stronger and stronger until Woody has no choice but to do something.

I actually like this better than hearing these media guys say stupid shit like “you can’t keep changing coaches every year, you need stability”…stability won’t make a shit coach into a great coach so fuck that approach. If you see a guy sucks, move on, the faster the better.

 

I think the telling thing is that we can all agree that the Raiders and Browns (and throw in the Cardinals into the discussion as well) are a hot mess and bottom feeders.

The telling thing is that ALL of those teams have had a lot more success than we have over the last 20 years. All of those teams have been to the playoffs in what, the last 5 years? The Browns actually WON a playoff game against the Steelers. And they STILL fired their 2X Coach of the Year.

You laid it out well with the offensive rankings…our defenses have been good to very good at times and mediocre to very bad at times, but that hasn’t made a shit of difference in the wins column.

Let’s face it boys…WE are the bottom of the barrel of the fucking loser franchises.

So yeah, a high draft pick is going to go to a bad team.

But we are THE WORST OF THE WORST by a large margin.

If it were my son, I’d advise him to go back to school and hope for a better outcome next year

 

Everything was good except giving Moore potentially bad advise to stay in school vs going to the Jets specifically. And he did not bring up the Raiders, where similar advice can also be given. Shit on Woody, Glenn, sure, but telling a QB in very strong terms to stay in school specifically for the Jets and not others is I think where he crossed the line.

A QB is who can help get us out of this mess eventually. And he is influencing him to stay, where I do not think it is even a good advice to begin with, and singling the Jets out.

 

Let's be fair then, we are not alone worst of the worst, we have the same SHIT record as the Raiders, who fired 3 coaches in 3 years. And I think we can change quicker because our roster is better. The moment we get rid of Glenn and get someone good things can completely change. And the QB would still be there. Granted Woody always fucks up, but so do the Raiders frankly. And he singled out the Jets.

 

I think we’re giving Smith too much credit…he can say what he wants but I doubt that Moore’s decision will be heavily influenced by anything Smith says

 

GW responded to him multiple times. I don't know what Moore will do, but I am quite certain he heard about it. Smith does have a voice. I do hope someone from the Jets would reach to Moore to make their case. We NEED him to declare to have a chance to turn this ship next year when Glenn is gone.

 

Eh, this is a potato/potahto kind of thing for me. Does it really matter if he included the other teams? At the end of the day, the advice he got was sound. Not sure "why" you would say "bad advice." From a career perspective and longevity, you always avoid a horrible and nasty situation IF you can do it and still come out of it looking pretty good.

This is where the NIL is really going to impact the NFL, especially with the skill positions. In years gone by, as many have mentioned, the only "bag" was the NFL. And, yes, the "bag" in the NFL is still bigger but the BIGGEST "bags" come with the 2nd contract, not the first. They have to GET to that 2nd "bag." MOST of these kids are poor and now they are making HUGE $ in college. Mom and dad no longer have to work 2 and 3 jobs to support the family. By making that $ in college, it allows them to stop and think about what they are doing with some semblance of rationality as opposed to acting out of desperation just to get some $ to their families. Yeah, there may have been "palms greased" over the years but not this kind of money. Not being able to do it in broad daylight as opposed to having to sneak around and hope to not get caught by the NCAA. It has completely changed the landscape and put more power into the hands of the players to control their futures. They can exercise some degree of control so that they are not reduced to "end ups."

 

Here's the problem, my man....

Exactly "what" case would that be?

We "know" we suck and have so for decades but, we're running it back with a coach that has just come off a season where his team has broken century old "terrible" records and will more than likely be fired before you finish a full season as our QB... or
We "know" we haven't fielded a competent offense in nearly 20 years or
We "know" you probably will have your confidence shattered by game 14 in the 2026 season or

I can go on and on and on. This organization has NOTHING to sell a young player other than $$. He can get that in college. Yeah, maybe not as much but when you are working on your future you have to account for all the variables.

 

Yeah for sure

It’ll impact some guys…maybe the smarter ones will think about it a bit more, maybe some won’t care and will just go grab the money, maybe some will be cocky enough to think they can transform….I’m guessing it’ll be a little bit of all of it.

I think top QBs almost always go to bad teams…and the Raiders, Browns, Jets, Cardinals are ALL bad teams. Not too much difference if you look at it objectively, and in fact, all of those other teams have had more playoffs and more success in the last 10-15 years than we have…so while we may like to look down on the Browns or Raiders as being a hot mess, make no mistake, we are right there in the shit with them.

So I don’t know Moore, but if he is weighing declaring now and possibly going to the Jets at #2 vs. staying in school for a lot (but still less) money and taking a chance on (a) injury, (b) better QB prospects to compete with next year, and (c) still looking at bad teams at the top of the draft next year whether its the Jets again, or the Raiders, or the Browns, or the Cardinals, etc., honestly it’s hard to say he’d do one thing or the other without knowing the kid.

I’m betting he has a bunch of advisors / agents in his corner so that while he may hear what Smith is saying, I just can’t imagine that’s any turning point to anyone…he’s a media guy looking for attention. Not that what he’s saying is right or wrong, but I would hope Moore has better advisors than a guy on a podcast, or radio spot, or TV spot, or whatever media outlet he’s using these days…

 

Louis Riddick said the same thing today as far as Moore going back, also says a lot of the same shit Smith said about the organization. This is great imo, call these fuckers out nationally.