Not really Maybe it’s just because we’ve seen this movie before. Literally six straight times. Why is it so hard to just look at historical patterns and use that to make some assumptions? We’ve hired rookie DC’s straight since the Parcells days. After Al Groh quit after one season, we hired Herm Edwards (rookie DC), then Eric Mangini (rookie DC), Rex Ryan (rookie DC), Todd Bowles (rookie DC), Adam Gase (the one guy who breaks the mold being an offensive guy, but still was a terrible hire the day after Miami fired him for sucking), then Robert Saleh (rookie DC). Hmm…that’s 5 of the last 6 hires, and Glenn makes the 6th rookie DC. Let’s see, other than 2 years with Rex, they all sucked. Herm won the division one year, with a weak record (I think 9-7) where we won the division on a tie breaker with the Pats and Miami I think. So that’s 5 previous times where hiring a rookie DC did not work out…they all had losing records. Rex I think was the best of the bunch but we couldn’t sustain that success because we couldn’t find a QB. So no, I don’t think it’s odd or surprising at all that most of us can see a pattern and say, wait a minute guys, with the changes in the NFL that SO favor the offense, and thus make developing a QB THE most important thing to do, and as the rules now make it VERY hard to win with defense any more, we should try and focus on offense. With this losing culture here on a 15 year playoff drought and counting, maybe hiring a successful experienced coach may be helpful. Maybe hiring defensive rookies is not the best path to success. For us. In today’s NFL. So no, I don’t think it’s “something else going on there”, other than maybe watching the games and making a few easy observations. I think it’s actually common sense.
I had an inkling when they started courting Aaron Rodgers. I just felt like, even if he worked out great in the short-term, it would leave us in a hole two or three years later.
I think you’re misinterpreting to fit your narrative. I thought the season was lost specifically because of his signing. I absolutely wrote him off before his signing. He’s a defensive coordinator with zero pedigree. His defenses were mostly trash all along, he was the least quailified candidate by far. No chance this team goes 3-14 had we signed a coach like McCarthy. Aaron Glenn is our biggest issue by far, the roster can be turned but unfortunately with Glenn at the helm it doesn’t matter.
Something tells me you aren't really that into history. That or you have never heard the VERY appropriate and accurate adage, "History is the best indicator of future performance." Let me say that again, history is the best indicator of FUTURE performance. Translation, if a team has hired "X" number of defensive head coaches and they have ALL been rookies, learning on the job, one would draw a correlation between the two and CHANGE the practice so as NOT TO REPEAT history!! Unfortunately, this organization is run by a complete buffoon and I would wager if he actually has an education it was probably bought and paid for by mommy and daddy. His inability to LEARN from HISTORY is quite clear and very plain to the naked eye. Fucking fans can see it, not exactly sure why a professional organization, calling themselves an NFL football team, cannot. Very simple.
This 1000% It’s fucking unbelievable to me that we keep doing the same shit over and over. History shows patterns. Our pattern of failure with rookie DC’s has been going on for 25 years. It’s literally CRAZY to me that the fans can see this clear as crystal and Woody can’t. Hard to believe he is really THAT fucking stupid. And he doesn’t care. Fuck him. I think it’s so obvious that so many of us called this the minute the hire was announced. It’s not some illogical hatred of Glenn, in fact I think Glenn is a pretty beloved player with this fanbase…he was a GREAT Jet player, and one of the better guys on the team most years he played. This was just simple fucking shit. Look at the pattern. Look at Glenn’s performance as DC, which was mediocre to poor most years. Anyone watching and paying attention for sure called this from the jump. There was very little chance for him to succeed here. And yes, we all know the roster is not great…but we underplayed our talent by a LOT. And I’m not talking number of wins. I’m talking how we show up on the field. It was horrendous.
Originally I was a Glenn supporter. I argued that he should be given enough time to put his system in place. I started having my doubts about Glenn when Wilks' defense began to be shredded on a regular basis. I knew we had a problem at that point. Then when Fields displayed his complete inability to run the offense, I knew that was the end of the road for the '25 season. It had become a deathwatch for me at that point. I joked that the season wouldn't last past Election Day. The reality was it didn't make it to Columbus Day.
I knew it as soon as they moved on from Aaron Rodgers and signed Fields in his place. Season was over before it started, just like the Mets.
So you don't think it's possible to judge HC candidates before they become HCs? How does anyone ever make hiring decisions then? A lot of us didn't like the Saleh hire the day we made it either - for much of the same reasons as the Glenn hire. Saleh was an ok DC in a league where offense wins, and Glenn was a bad DC from a team that won due to their offense. In many ways, the Glenn hire was just a worse version of the Saleh one.
I’ll go you one better. Glenn is basically the same guy as Saleh, Bowles, Ryan, Mangini, and Edwards All first time DC’s In an offense focused league Glenn is the 6th one. None worked out long term…outside of a couple great years with Rex where we came up a game short of the Super Bowl, they’ve all failed And Woody says “Sure, let’s try it again” That argument that you can’t write off a season before the rookie HC even starts is dumb…of COURSE you can look at history, trends, Glenn’s performance as a DC (which was not as good as Saleh’s or Rex’s by the way), and make some kind of educated guess or prediction. And wonder of wonders, this assumption of sucking actually turned out to be true! Who’d a thunk it?
What cloud? Coach & the Jets couldn't stop talking about the positives from that beautiful loss and the Bucs loss (they got the living **** kicked out of them for much of the game in that one) early in the season. I do agree with you it did seem the season went downhill after that even though they did come back to take the lead after in that game. The Jets played so well in that Pittsburgh game never could I have imagined after that that the 2025 season would deteriorate into what it became.
As soon as teams had film on us after week one we did nothing to adjust. Absolutely nothing, that's 100% coaching.
