Spot on. Talking about effort levels is another one of these things. If a coach is preaching about how the team plays hard, it's because the team sucks and he's incapable of out-scheming other coaches.
A coach going on and on about how hard the team plays is also ridiculous because he's literally praising them for doing the absolute bare minimum that their job entails. It's like saying, hey, I'm awesome because I inspire my employees to give the bare minimum of acceptable effort at their job.
I completely disagree. Who are the highly sought after players the Jets signed in the last 20 years? We sign old washed up QBs and O linemen. Just because the media hypes up guys like Saleh and Bowles doesn’t mean they were highly sought after. Sorry but not many players want to play for a loser and joke of a franchise unless they are getting overpaid above market value. NY/NJ is
Cmon that’s not fair though. Bowles and Saleh were hot ticket names in the head coaching market when we hired them. Both landed coordinator jobs instantly and Saleh will be a head coach again maybe even next year. Gase wasn’t and neither was Glenn. They were bottom tier hires that had no other prospects. As far as signing players, that’s generally how free agency works. Everyone signs players above market value because players are out to get as much as they can and the FA pool is generally light as franchises retain big time players.
Here's an article on the power structure, Glenn seems to hold most of it or did at the time. https://nypost.com/2025/01/27/sport...ren-mougey-will-both-report-to-woody-johnson/ Here is a hilarious quote from the article from Glenn “We’re going to be New York Jets,” Glenn said. “As you see us play, you’ll be able to see the identity at that point. I always say family business stays in house, so I’m not going to let that outside this building. Our players are going to know what our identity is going to be and you’re going to find out by the way we play.” He still keeps his identity/plan/vision in house because I sure as hell can't figure out what the fuck it is lol.
Yes, and that was my point to @FloridaMan . He didn't say we will be able to see it right now. Maybe later one day.
@Cman69 @Brook! I think we need to change the title of this thread from "I despise" to "Fire". I don't think people despise Glenn for the most part. I personally loved him as a player and he is a team legend in that regard, he is a true fan of the Jets too and wants to get us back to that 1998 Finals and do better with that 10 point lead... Seems like a good guy who means well. He is just not a good HC IMO and therefore should be fired. That's really all there is to it.
I LOVED Aaron Glenn as a player. I LOVE that he LOVES football enough to want to be a coach. Unfortunately for him, to the moderately trained eye and nose he doesn't pass the visual OR smell test. Hey may, in fact, one day be a phenomenal head coach. Who am I to say. However, you do not pick a downtrodden team to get your "on the job training." Hell, even in the BEST of times the Jets are barely an above .500 team. I don't know off the top of my head but I'd be willing to bet someone knows how many double digit win seasons the Jets have had and I would lay money it doesn't come to 10 fingers. Whereas, you've got three teams within the division that have DOMINATED the entire NFL at one point in time or another. Miami was the 70's and early 80's. Buffalo was the 90's, regardless of not winning a SB, the SB went through Buffalo. No need to talk about the Patriots and as disgusting as it is to admit, looks like the Bill AND Patriots are going to spend the next decade fucking with each other and beating the hell out of the Jets whenever humanly possible. Miami is a QB away. If Tua weren't a concussion case you could add them to the Bills and Patriots. I love Glenn's passion it's just not what this team needs. The NY Jets MUST identify and find the next Shanahan/McVay or we're going to spend the next TWO decades getting pounded, business as usual. Glenn needs to go back to coaching class 101...
He could have been a phenomenal coach 30 years ago. But now, it's about Xs and Os. That's what wins. What's interesting, in one of the interviews a few days ago he said something like it is not about Xs and Os. He is just not the right guy for the modern times. He is trying to replicate Bill Parcells of the 90s. But there was no evolution. It's like we went back 30 years. However, the fact the Jets sucked for 15 years does not matter. NE, which is considered one of the most successful franchises ever now, before Parcells and Belichick was one of the worst franchises in NFL. You just need the right guy and Woody keep hiring really the same wrong guy every time for 15 years now. With the exception of Gase who was even worse, failed offensive coach coming of 3 straight bad seasons on offense. If we get the right guy, things can change and they can change quickly like they did in NE back in the day.
Saleh and Bowles were interviewed by numerous teams. Both had excellent records as defensive coordinators; there is absolutely no indication that they were regarded as rejects by the rest of the teams searching for coaches. I know people will say "But what about Ben Johnson?" Did he say "I'll never coach the Jets?" Or did he simply have his eye on the Bears job and didn't want to coach anywhere else? "But what about Mike Vrabel?" You mean the guy who was going to get a chance to coach the team he won three Super Bowls with as a player? It doesn't sound like that was a personal rejection of the Jets. The fact is, there is no evidence that the Jets are having trouble finding coaches. As to highly sought after players? In the last 20 years, they signed: Thomas Jones, Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, Kris Jenkins, Antonio Cromartie, Ladanian Tomlinson, CJ Mosley, Leveon Bell, Eric Decker, Brandon Marshall, Alan Fanaca, Damien Woody. A lot of good players have come here. Some have succeeded, and some have failed. But the idea that nobody of worth wants to come to the Jets is based on nothing but fan grumbling.
There is absolutely a Jets tax, anyone will sign for the right amount of money. Not to mention a lot of those players signed when we were decent or had hope, this is one of if not the darkest time in Jets history.
I'm honestly still in disbelief that Woody hired yet another defensive HC in Glenn. I know I'm a broken record about this but it's utterly unbelievable at this point. How can Woody admit our offense has been the main problem, as he did during the offseason, and then go and hire his 6th consecutive defensive HC? It's completely baffling. Are we sure Kraft isn't paying Woody under the table to sabotage the team?
This conversation is kind of moot because the clear issue isn't that nobody wants to come here, it's that we have an owner who knows less than nothing about football and is incapable of hiring the right coach.
One would think that after realizing that offense was the problem, that he'd at least change course and try to hire an offensive coach. It's still amazes me that he has never hired an offensive coach the entire time he's been the owner of the team. Groh, Herm, Mangini, Rex, Bowles, Glenn. As bad as the team was under Christopher Johnson, I'll at least give him credit for correctly diagnosing the issue that plagued this team and attempting to do something about it.
I don't know...there are guaranteed to be major heartburn episodes, ulcers and "you've got to be shitting me" moments. Older super accomplished guys, I would think, would probably think twice. The Jets will triple their age, for certain. And that's BEFORE you get to adding the Media and Fans on top of it. LOL!
