I've often wondered about that, especially with the Jets. They've made so many boneheaded picks over the years that I sit back and think on whether or not they even bother to turn on game tape. It's like they watch the combine and the pro-days and absolutely flush the games down the crapper. Gholston is a GREAT example of a non-QB that was essentially a waste and didn't start hitting the radar until his unreal physical workouts. Things that make you go "hmmmm."
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At this point of their careers Cousins is another slightly less mobile Tyrod. This is one of the games where we do not even have QB disadvantage. We should be able to beat Falcons pretty handily. Now, because we are the Jets, it will be a close game, but I actually think we will win this one.
They're down Drake London but I think we would have won this game regardless. Cold weather Kirk is a sight to behold.
I like what you are saying about beating the Falcons but think you are way off base on the comparison. Tyrod Taylor, at any point in his career, couldn't carry Cousin's "jock" on his best day. There's a reason Cousins was a starter for multiple teams and Taylor has never been a starter outside a few games. Now, you are correct, age has caught up with Cousins. However, with no pass rush, Cousins can sit back there and pick the Jets apart. I've seen no indication that his arm has diminished to the point where he won't be effective. It's not like they have to score 30 points. If the Falcons can put up 14 I would view that as a pretty comfortable lead. They don't have to blow us out, they just have to have more offense than we do and that shouldn't be that difficult, all things considered. Just my opinion. The ONLY way I see the Jets winning this one is if McDonald IV makes his every few games appearance. At that point, he could conceivably knock Cousins out of the game. As bad as Minnesota was in handling Darnold, they were prescient in letting Cousins walk when they did. And, as much as I want a win I also would rather not. I want NO EXCUSES to have to blow "stupid" amounts of draft capital to move up a whopping 3 or 4 slots for a middle of the road QB such as Mendoza et. al. I'd rather lose "naturally" and be in the top 1 or 2 to get whatever QB Moog wants. Because two things are an absolute certainty, whether we want them to be or not: Burrow is never coming to the Jets for as paltry a sum as two 1st round draft picks Moogs and company WILL draft one of these middle of the road QB's at the top of the 2026 draft. It's only a matter of how much of the rest of the team do they have to sacrifice to pull it off
See above... While I hope you are right, it would be good to win. I "wish" that they wouldn't. It's a really shitty double-edged sword, isn't it? We ALL want them to win. They have GOT to start building a winning culture. Unfortunately, with every win, they get more and more in a space where they are going to basically have to throw away nearly ALL the draft capital they gained by throwing two top flight players in the trash. The more they feel they have to burn to get one of this middle of the road QB's in 2026 is the surety they will not have enough to even backfill the two they tossed, let alone plug the holes that were already there. Let's face it, this team is like THREE drafts away from having a solid roster, top to bottom with a hair of depth. That's the one thing I keep failing to see anyone bring up. In case folks haven't been watching, injuries are up...big time. MOST teams are down to the 2nd, 3rd or, in some cases, the kid on fries at McDonalds. We keep talking about getting enough starters. Our depth is putrid. Hell, our starters are those 2nd and 3rd guys on other teams. Damn...there I go again on my soapbox. Just ignore me when I get like that. Can't help myself.
It's the shittiest merry-go-round in sports and we've been on it for over a decade. To win or not to win. I'll spare everyone the same old routine but other franchises find stars everywhere in the draft at every position. The best QBs in the league weren't the first QBs taken in their draft let alone the first overall pick. Good scouting gets you good players. So I'm gonna root for what helps the culture (we need to convince people to want to be here) and put trust in the front office who so far has done pretty well. And yea, I stepped in shit and ended up in a suite or this game so I want the full experience, win and all.
It's not even good scouting. It's the entire organization top to bottom. When you go to a well-oiled machine, good working company where everyone flourishes you do well. when you go to a shit show of a company most people lower their guard and match the work ethic of everyone around them.
Right, and there's reason to believe that could happen here. Mougs gets the credit for the trades and picks, but there's synergy between he and Glenn (and by default, the staff) so this is more than just a one man job. Briggs, Brownlee, Metchie... these guys aren't playing well just because they're on a new team. They are being coached and put in positions to succeed. You have to assume that Glenn is in on these guys and sees how they fit. So far the staff has made them fit. Same goes for Stephens who has really turned it around. Still don't love the contract but clearly Glenn saw something he liked and his staff is making it work. Same goes for the rookies that are playing and making an impact... Membou, AZ, Moore, Taylor, even Mauinoa is playing some good football. We've been in WAY worse spots, which isn't saying much, but it's not like we're at a point where we NEED the first pick or else we're walking away with nothing and have no shot at finding top tier talent.
You are correct on both. I will add with #2 IF the QB Mougey picks works out nobody is going to give a second thought as to the cost. I know he was involved with the Nix selection in Denver. In that case Nix fell to them I believe….
Yes I think Nix fell to them and they didn’t have to trade up for him It’s interesting…the top QB picked isn’t always the best one…but sure seems like when the Jets are taking the 2nd guy it’s been a failure…we took Sanchez when Detroit took Stafford, we took Zach when the Jags took Lawrence…just sucks to be Jets…its a combo of an inability to properly scout the QB position (though that inability isn’t limited to the QB!) combined with a total lack of organizational structure to support, nurture and develop a young QB more often than not. With Sanchez, Tannenbaum actually DID support a rookie QB with a great OL, a very good if not a superstar RB in Thomas Jones, and good receivers with Braylon and Holmes. And while Sanchez didn’t really develop, we still had some success. It was complete opposite with Darnold where we had a shit offense around him, and same for Zach. So far, Mougey looks to be competent…I know many on this board are really high on him, and maybe more so than I am honestly….his draft was good, Membou and Taylor look solid, AZ may have potential, Moore has played well for where he was drafted…but its not like he drafted some rookie of the year or pro bowl guys…Arian Smith has made zero impact, though much of that is due to the piss poor QB play, so I’ll give him a pass. The trades for the DTs early look very good. The free agents look ok…Stephen’s looked terrible early but has played decently since so not a great player but serviceable I guess. I’m still not super happy about trading our two best defenders (it’s easy to trade away good players) but I will give him credit for getting a lot back in return and setting up our drafts nicely. If nothing else, Mougey has set himself up with great potential to literally rebuild this team with all the picks in the next two drafts. It will, as usual, come down to if he can find a QB, and if he does, he’ll be the hero. Here’s hoping it works!
I don’t know how old you are but in regards to the “2nd best quarterback” the examples you mentioned pale in comparison to 1991 when the Jets wanted Favre - tried in vain to trade up past the Falcons to get him - but the Cardinals wouldn’t budge they were convinced the Jets were going to take a CB they wanted…. So the Jets got stuck with Browning Nagle. Then as it turned out the Falcons dumped Favre a year later …. We all know how that worked out.
It does not have to be the 1st QB taken, but in the last 5 years we have seen more top QBs succeed than ever. Teams are evolving in their evaluation, which is still hard to do, but the success rate seems significantly higher at the very top of the draft, even if the best guy taken may not be #1 overall. Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Lawrence, Stroud, Caleb, Williams, Maye are all successful long term starters and all were taken in top 6 in the last 5 years not counting last year rookie class. And even out of that group most are top 3, even top 2. Some classes have more, some less, but in this class you probably will need top 3 pick to achieve similar levels of success, maybe even top 2. I understand it does not have to be #1, but it sure helps A LOT to have a high pick in the draft, even if it not #1. Now, I do think we will win some games, and might not even pick top 5. But I think what will happen is it will just end up costing us serious capital, that's all these wins will accomplish. Or worse, we cannot even trade up for a guy we want, and will have another garbage QB next year. Or both... Which is why I want us to play well against the Falcons, especially on offense, but ultimately lose, ideally because of the players/coaches who are not going to have a meaningful role here next year. However, I do believe we will have a meaningless win and ruin draft position on this one though, Falcons just suck too much.
Nix's success I imagine is in very large part down to having Payton as the HC - if he was on the Jets I would bet we'd already be getting ready to move on again.
