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AG is in his second game. There isn’t a coach in history that had a clue what they were doing by game 2. Every great coach would tell you the same. That said, the problem is Woody keeps hiring these first timers while the franchise has now degenerated to a rudderless ship with no identity. Not even considering the wild notion of us becoming a super bowl team, but what we have desperately needed is leadership that has proven to have had some success leading an NFL team. If for no other reason just to bring credibility to the franchise. But alas, Woody loves his first timers….

 

Woody has been burned, fried, charred, incinerated, and cremated by hiring 1st timers and he isn’t even once shy. He’s literally the walking definition of insanity. It’s like every time it all goes to hell Woody thinks “hey, I know exactly what will fix this, a former DC turned first time HC! And even better, let’s get a first time OC to partner up with him! Why didn’t I think of this last time!”

 

100%

So fucking sad but true

Dude has literally NO football knowledge and keeps doing the same fucking shit over and over. And don’t forget hiring rookie GM to pair with these rookie DCs

 

Pretty sure Rex won his first two games and took the Jets deep into the playoffs in both of his first two years.

 

Cimini reporting this morning that AG declined to answer whether Fields could lose his QB1 role while injured.

If that is really where we are right now then this AG regime run is going to get even uglier a lot quicker then I thought it would.

 

Why? It would seem to me that the player demonstrating he's most suited to help the team win is always the one who should be playing.

 

It's year 1 and game 3 in on your supposed "new era of jets football" regime. You brought in and committed to 26yo Justin Fields in the offseason. A guy who offers a substantially better developmental chance of giving us a potential upside answer at QB going forward then Tyrod freaking Taylor. In a season you predictably went into, from any reality acknowledging viewpoint, being a bottom 5 projected football team.

Anything short of "Justin is our guy" right now is just more same ol same Jets imo. It's way too early for that type of desperation hint for immediate wins stuff to be popping up.

I said it before we signed Justin Fields, I said it after, and I'll say it now. If this regime can't develop and/or manufacture league average'ish QB play out of Justin Fields then they all need to go, once again, *before* we even consider the attempt to waste another 1st round pick on QB. End the same circle cycle of fail already.

 

That’s an interesting point of view…I hadn’t thought of it that way before regarding Fields. My opinion on Fields coming out of Ohio State was not good…I saw how inaccurate he was, and he doesn’t see the field, he doesn’t process quickly enough, and he’s just not a very good QB. His only real upside is his ability to create with his legs. That’s good but it’s not enough to make a good QB. I thought it then, and I haven’t seen anything out of him to make me change my mind. I just don’t think he’s very good and I don’t think he will ever become the long term solution at QB. Two different teams, the Bears (who, like the Jets, have never had a clue on how to develop a QB) and the Steelers (who are a much better run organization top to bottom than we are) both threw him to the curb. They did not see any potential worth trying to develop.

So how much is on the player and how much is on the coaches?

I just think if you’re going to use development of Fields as a measure of how to evaluate our coaches, that may just be an automatic fail then. I don’t think Andy Reid could get much more out of Fields honestly…the dude just isn’t an NFL caliber QB.

 

This is why I believe if Glenn doesn't show any promise this year we need to seriously consider firing him and going with a proven head coach.

We can't have another QB drafted that fails due to a combo of poor coaching and a poor situation. Glenn needs to prove he deserves a shot at starting with a new QB. He has plenty of time to show something but if he cannot then he needs to be fired.

The Patriots just did this. Fired their head coach after one season to bring in someone who has a coaching history. The Jets don't owe anything to Glenn if he can't prove he is capable of coaching.

 

You see a "prove it" contract as some kind of commitment to Fields? No wonder we disagree. What I have said time and time again is the best player gets to play. I'm sticking with that. That's how you win games. The Jets have made far more problems for the team by making the kind of "commitment" you're talking about.

 

You are discounting the very real probability that a failing quarterback was actually a product of a failed drafting process. The Jets owe nothing to Fields if he continues to perform as he did last week.

 

The Steelers by every reported account this winter did not "throw him to the curb". They wanted to resign him as their first choice option, but ( by Fields' own account) he ultimately liked AG's pitch to come here better and took our offer instead of the one he already had in hand from Pittsburgh.

I think bigger automatic fail, with a very extensive track record of repeating itself here, will be summing up any notable regression from what Pittsburgh/Arthur Smith managed to get out of Justin Fields as a "the dude just isn’t an NFL caliber QB" problem.

I personally believe the ability to at least replicate Fields' production in Pitt makes for a great measuring stick bar that needs to be cleared here. Otherwise overlooking the failure to ever get any of these coaching hires right, which is always the next step cop out cope in this constant circle of fail, isn't going to be the solution this upcoming winter anymore then it was countless times before. It just guarantees we throw away yet another high value 1st round draft pick next spring on a QB being given a draft day death sentence.

 

Sure, but these are the Jets.

When do they ever do what they need to do to win?

 

I agree. That pick is too important.

But you know Woody isn't going to do it.

Jason Garrett would be my pick. I listen to him calling the college games.

He's smart man I remember him as head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

Smart, professional he'd bring instant credibility to the Jets.

 

I wouldn't be against Garrett on initial thought. But I'd prefer McCarthy.

It's also possible the Bills or Bengals or some other team fire their head coach opening up more choices.

 

I believe it was the group Woody hired to run the search the Spielman-Tannenbaum group.